[Livia]

If someone's clinically depressed the chances are that surgery won't help them in the long run. It's like obese people who think that getting a gastric band will make them slim and consequently their life will be better. It won't be. Your life will be the same because you'll be the same person with the same problems but you'll be thinner. Similarly with breast implants; sewing little bags of silicon into your body will not help your long-term mental illness, you will be the same person with the same problems but with bigger tits. If therapy hasn't worked, it's the wrong therapy or the wrong therapist.

People who have much bigger problems than self-image benefit from psychiatric help rather than invasive surgery.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I don't think you understand how short of money the NHS is. People are having operations cancelled and people are not receiving certain medications that are vital to the treatment of their condition because it is too expensive - people's lives are at risk because of a lack of money but you want to fund boob jobs for vain women. If a woman is genuinely depressed she needs proper treatment for what is an illness not a boob job.

I'm done now because your reasoning is unreasonable.

NHS will always provide expenditure towards depressive patients, for they are a health service, and depressive tendencies are a prominent health concern in the UK.
It sounds like, to me, your main argument is that too much money is going on depressive patients. Its a bit of a dark discussion, I would not like to have that debate with you.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

NHS will always provide expenditure towards depressive patients, for they are a health service, and depressive tendencies are a prominent health concern in the UK.
It sounds like, to me, your main argument is that too much money is going on depressive patients. Its a bit of a dark discussion, I would not like to have that debate with you.

Treatment for depression, yes. Boobs jobs are not appropriate treatment for depression. Jesus.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Withano

NHS will always provide expenditure towards depressive patients, for they are a health service, and depressive tendencies are a prominent health concern in the UK.
It sounds like, to me, your main argument is that too much money is going on depressive patients. Its a bit of a dark discussion, I would not like to have that debate with you.

Have you read Livia's post above? She addresses the issue of depressive tendancies very succinctly.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Withano

People are always gonna have disproportionate chests to their body, and people will always criticise this, this will always create depression in some people.
Im more asking for a solution, do you have one? You are also, like Brillo, suggesting things that clinically depressed women should not do, without suggesting anything that they should do.
This is incredibly simplistic and narrow-minded. Please complete your argument.
What should a clinically depressed woman do next, if not surgery.

My solution iwould be to campaign to change society's perception of what 'beauty' means. Instead of going along with the idea that 'beauty' is fake boobs, fake butts, duck pouts etc., By you saying 'Let them have boob jobs' you are just feeding into this unrealistic and totally fake idea of beauty.
As for the solution to people becoming depressed because other people may or may not make comments about their chest size, there isn't one. People have to learn not to care what other people think.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Treatment for depression, yes. Boobs jobs are not appropriate treatment for depression. Jesus.

But as a last resort, nobody has came up with a better alternative. Just a lot of 'your issues are not important so shh'. Obviously thats less helpful than surgery.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

My solution iwould be to campaign to change society's perception of what 'beauty' means. Instead of going along with the idea that 'beauty' is fake boobs, fake butts, duck pouts etc., By you saying 'Let them have boob jobs' you are just feeding into this unrealistic and totally fake idea of beauty.
As for the solution to people becoming depressed because other people may or may not make comments about their chest size, there isn't one. People have to learn not to care what other people think.

I feel like your good intentions are there, I just think its very difficult to suggest that this is more effective than surgery. The NHS, and the patients clearly deem surgery beneficial under some circumstances otherwise this conversation would not exist.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Withano

I feel like your good intentions are there, I just think its very difficult to suggest that this is more effective than surgery. The NHS, and the patients clearly deem surgery beneficial under some circumstances otherwise this conversation would not exist.

Its immoral to waste money on plastic boobs ahead of channelling into life saving areas. Many thousands of people die whilst awaiting treatment on the nhs due to shortage of funding. We must prioritise and plastic boobs are way down the bottom of a long list of priorities.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by the truth

Its immoral to waste money on plastic boobs ahead of channelling into life saving areas. Many thousands of people die whilst awaiting treatment on the nhs due to shortage of funding. We must prioritise and plastic boobs are way down the bottom of a long list of priorities.

Originally Posted by Withano

NHS will always provide expenditure towards depressive patients, for they are a health service, and depressive tendencies are a prominent health concern in the UK.
It sounds like, to me, your main argument is that too much money is going on depressive patients. Its a bit of a dark discussion, I would not like to have that debate with you.

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[ChristmasNeeve]

I do tend to agree with those who say that getting bigger boobs is a bad way to treat depression/someone who is depressed because of having smaller boobs. Unless it's a breast reduction for health reasons or reconstructive surgery then I don't think it should be funded publicly

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I do tend to agree with those who say that getting bigger boobs is a bad way to treat depression/someone who is depressed because of having smaller boobs. Unless it's a breast reduction for health reasons or reconstructive surgery then I don't think it should be funded publicly

But nobody has suggested a good way to treat those that do not respond well to therapeutic treatment, the answer is not do nothing.
If it wasnt an effective method, the NHS would not do it.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The Hugh increase in women getting boob jobs these days is not about clinical depression it's about attention. Boob jobs, Botox and the resulting trout pouts and liposuction are all a quick fix for vain women too lazy to work hard at improving their appearance in safer, more natural ways.

Its becoming less and less fashionable to have big boobs. In fact a lot of women who had boob jobs in the past are spending their money having them reduced. The new big thing is designer vaginas.

Surgery has become almost as common today as wearing make-up. If women want it it they pay for it and I think you would find that by far the majority of people would agree with that. NHS treatment is not there to finance women's insecurities and vanity.

I agree with this. There are women in their 20s having botox and contour implants and their teeth whitened and canines filed down. I look at such women and think, 'you are going to have a terrible time growing old'

I don't think just anyone should be able to have boob implants on the NHS but there has to be exceptions. I also think that people who are missing their front teeth and have no confidence, should, if they can't afford it, get help to fix that smile on the NHS.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its becoming less and less fashionable to have big boobs. In fact a lot of women who had boob jobs in the past are spending their money having them reduced. The new big thing is designer vaginas.


I agree with this. There are women in their 20s having botox and contour implants and their teeth whitened and canines filed down. I look at such women and think, 'you are going to have a terrible time growing old'

I don't think just anyone should be able to have boob implants on the NHS but there has to be exceptions. I also think that people who are missing their front teeth and have no confidence, should, if they can't afford it, get help to fix that smile on the NHS.

Designer vaginas - god forbid. As long no one expects the NHS to finance them.

Didn't Gemma Collins have one of them. I don't get it. If I was a man I wouldn't be attracted to her for many reasons but certainly a designer vagina wouldn't change that , if anything it would put me off because I would find it superficial and desperate.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Oh yeah that's awful DR when young girls in their 20's have stuff done, they end up looking older and losing that lovely youthfulness

I think society at the moment has awful standards for women (and men too I think)

[RichardG]

i don't know any men who prefer women with implants all over their bodies, i think it's a bit of a misconception that this is what we want tbh

[the truth]

Originally Posted by RichardG

i don't know any men who prefer women with implants all over their bodies, i think it's a bit of a misconception that this is what we want tbh

yes another example of reverse sexism

[waterhog]

if that was the case and that is all we wanted - we could just by a blow up doll ?

that's a genius idea as it cuts out all the nagging


I tried to read some potery to my one - she went as flat as a pan cake so I won't try that again as blowing her up gets harder every time - puff puff.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by waterhog

if that was the case and that is all we wanted - we could just by a blow up doll ?

that's a genius idea as it cuts out all the nagging


I tried to read some potery to my one - she went as flat as a pan cake so I won't try that again as blowing her up gets harder every time - puff puff.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its becoming less and less fashionable to have big boobs. In fact a lot of women who had boob jobs in the past are spending their money having them reduced. The new big thing is designer vaginas.


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* phones GP *

[Livia]

People are already being denied drugs and/or treatment on the grounds of cost. I'm afraid the NHS just doesn't have enough money to grant wishes.