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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I think a not so left wing more sensible but not Tory light Labour party would be the answer.Corbyn and McDonells politics is a niche market and doesn't appeal to the masses.
Also get rid of that awful Diane Abbott.Putting her on every BBC program as the voice of the Labour party does them no favours.
Some of Corbyns policies are great but then he has this far left mentality on top of that which ruins it.
Watching him on Peston on Sunday the other day(Sunday infact ) doing everything he possibly could to avoid answering a question on whether shoot to kill is ever justified against a terrorist.Castrating our nuclear deterrent by saying he'd never launch them and being involved in communist organisations like Stop The War.Labour now has a worse image crisis than the Lib Dems.
I don't think a brand new party would ever gain ground with the red/blue roots so deeply entrenched in England.I know that Labour will always win every election in my area so it's pointless voting.It doesn't matter who is in charge of the party or what they do there may as well only be one option on the polling cards where i live.

A true center party with a focus on creating jobs and trade, sensible about benefits for the out-of-work but fit, but generous to children / those with disabilities would almost certainly destroy the Tories. We don't seem to be able to find that middle ground. A party with SENSIBLE and realistic plans for getting people into work / trained / educated if they are able, but that doesn't cruelly nip away at the truly vulnerable the way the Tories have been. I don't really understand why it doesn't exist. I think, partly, the problem is that people are deeply entrenched in the politics of the 20th century and it'll be very hard to drag people away from their "roots" without a complete overhaul of the system.