[Denver]

UKIP need to either change their name and everything its about or disband because they have done the job they wanted

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Adam.

UKIP need to either change their name and everything its about or disband because they have done the job they wanted

Well their only MP has quit now.They're as fecked as Labour now and we won't even mention the Lib Dems.
Tories forever now

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well their only MP has quit now.They're as fecked as Labour now and we won't even mention the Lib Dems.
Tories forever now

To be honest ALL of the non-Tory parties need to crumble completely and a new viable opposition needs to rise. There are far more people who DON'T want Tory rule than who DO want it (only 37% of the popular vote), the vote of that other 63% just needs to unite behind one alternative.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be honest ALL of the non-Tory parties need to crumble completely and a new viable opposition needs to rise. There are far more people who DON'T want Tory rule than who DO want it (only 37% of the popular vote), the vote of that other 63% just needs to unite behind one alternative.

I think a not so left wing more sensible but not Tory light Labour party would be the answer.Corbyn and McDonells politics is a niche market and doesn't appeal to the masses.
Also get rid of that awful Diane Abbott.Putting her on every BBC program as the voice of the Labour party does them no favours.
Some of Corbyns policies are great but then he has this far left mentality on top of that which ruins it.
Watching him on Peston on Sunday the other day(Sunday infact ) doing everything he possibly could to avoid answering a question on whether shoot to kill is ever justified against a terrorist.Castrating our nuclear deterrent by saying he'd never launch them and being involved in communist organisations like Stop The War.Labour now has a worse image crisis than the Lib Dems.
I don't think a brand new party would ever gain ground with the red/blue roots so deeply entrenched in England.I know that Labour will always win every election in my area so it's pointless voting.It doesn't matter who is in charge of the party or what they do there may as well only be one option on the polling cards where i live.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I think a not so left wing more sensible but not Tory light Labour party would be the answer.Corbyn and McDonells politics is a niche market and doesn't appeal to the masses.
Also get rid of that awful Diane Abbott.Putting her on every BBC program as the voice of the Labour party does them no favours.
Some of Corbyns policies are great but then he has this far left mentality on top of that which ruins it.
Watching him on Peston on Sunday the other day(Sunday infact ) doing everything he possibly could to avoid answering a question on whether shoot to kill is ever justified against a terrorist.Castrating our nuclear deterrent by saying he'd never launch them and being involved in communist organisations like Stop The War.Labour now has a worse image crisis than the Lib Dems.
I don't think a brand new party would ever gain ground with the red/blue roots so deeply entrenched in England.I know that Labour will always win every election in my area so it's pointless voting.It doesn't matter who is in charge of the party or what they do there may as well only be one option on the polling cards where i live.

great post...we desperately need an opposition otherwise it could be 30 years of tories, this labour lot are useless, weasels like abbott will kill them off forever... so 30 years of tories and thats not good for democracy

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I think a not so left wing more sensible but not Tory light Labour party would be the answer.Corbyn and McDonells politics is a niche market and doesn't appeal to the masses.
Also get rid of that awful Diane Abbott.Putting her on every BBC program as the voice of the Labour party does them no favours.
Some of Corbyns policies are great but then he has this far left mentality on top of that which ruins it.
Watching him on Peston on Sunday the other day(Sunday infact ) doing everything he possibly could to avoid answering a question on whether shoot to kill is ever justified against a terrorist.Castrating our nuclear deterrent by saying he'd never launch them and being involved in communist organisations like Stop The War.Labour now has a worse image crisis than the Lib Dems.
I don't think a brand new party would ever gain ground with the red/blue roots so deeply entrenched in England.I know that Labour will always win every election in my area so it's pointless voting.It doesn't matter who is in charge of the party or what they do there may as well only be one option on the polling cards where i live.

A true center party with a focus on creating jobs and trade, sensible about benefits for the out-of-work but fit, but generous to children / those with disabilities would almost certainly destroy the Tories. We don't seem to be able to find that middle ground. A party with SENSIBLE and realistic plans for getting people into work / trained / educated if they are able, but that doesn't cruelly nip away at the truly vulnerable the way the Tories have been. I don't really understand why it doesn't exist. I think, partly, the problem is that people are deeply entrenched in the politics of the 20th century and it'll be very hard to drag people away from their "roots" without a complete overhaul of the system.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A true center party with a focus on creating jobs and trade, sensible about benefits for the out-of-work but fit, but generous to children / those with disabilities would almost certainly destroy the Tories. We don't seem to be able to find that middle ground. A party with SENSIBLE and realistic plans for getting people into work / trained / educated if they are able, but that doesn't cruelly nip away at the truly vulnerable the way the Tories have been. I don't really understand why it doesn't exist. I think, partly, the problem is that people are deeply entrenched in the politics of the 20th century and it'll be very hard to drag people away from their "roots" without a complete overhaul of the system.

they also need to destroy political correctness and replace it with THE TRUTH

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

they also need to destroy political correctness and replace it with THE TRUTH

If you mean people not having to fear legal consequences for speaking their mind, then sure. If you mean that you want right-leaning people to be able to say whatever they want, but then bitch and cry when people "call them names", or there are other natural consequences for it... then no.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by the truth

they also need to destroy political correctness and replace it with THE TRUTH

I think the last thing we need is The Truth in charge

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by the truth

they also need to destroy political correctness and replace it with THE TRUTH

"You can't call my friend the N word" "PAH BLOODY PC MADNESS, IT'S THE TRUTH" x

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A true center party with a focus on creating jobs and trade, sensible about benefits for the out-of-work but fit, but generous to children / those with disabilities would almost certainly destroy the Tories. We don't seem to be able to find that middle ground. A party with SENSIBLE and realistic plans for getting people into work / trained / educated if they are able, but that doesn't cruelly nip away at the truly vulnerable the way the Tories have been. I don't really understand why it doesn't exist. I think, partly, the problem is that people are deeply entrenched in the politics of the 20th century and it'll be very hard to drag people away from their "roots" without a complete overhaul of the system.

why don't some of the MP's disgruntled with Corbyns agenda break away and form a new party... I guess they are happy to pick up their salaries from the back benches.