[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If you can't get organised in the 6.5 days they are open we like to give the staff time with their families down South

Surely there's a number of them that work shifts around one another though?

Unless the South have robots working 24/7?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They'll be working the exact same number of hours, though . It's a religious throwback and you know it . Bet it's gone in a decade or so anyway

Might be the same number of hours but weekend work does not sit well with school hours family time is important to us Southerners

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Might be the same number of hours but weekend work does not sit well with school hours family time is important to us Southerners

Yes it does, I explained this in another thread I'm sure... You work all weekend, then in the week you send the li'l buggers off to school and relax and nap on the couch and argue on Tibb and stuff. Its a flawless system...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes it does, I explained this in another thread I'm sure... You work all weekend, then in the week you send the li'l buggers off to school and relax and nap on the couch and argue on Tibb and stuff. Its a flawless system...

don't forget binging on Netflix

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

don't forget binging on Netflix

Not any more, they cancelled all of the shows because of historic sex offences.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

the 24 hour ones close at 5 on a Sunday..

I'm sure ours closes at 4 on a sunday. Lazy bastards wanting an extra hour off

My mate works in tesco and apparently shes having to work xmas day. Shops not open, but they still want staff in. horrible *****. No need for anyone who works in a shop to do xmas really. Maybe with the exception of a couple of petrol stations and corner shops where the OWNERS do the shifts as they want the cash

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[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And you weren't paying attention when he described the holy trinity as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Like a human father would pass a part of himself on through his children.

But I suppose that went over your head.

It didn't go over my head at all, it's all meant to be god. God above, God as flesh, and then the spirit of god in all of us,.... all GOD// not three sep[arate things, all the same thing, God. that's the whole point.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

It didn't go over my head at all, it's all meant to be god. God above, God as flesh, and then the spirit of god in all of us,.... all GOD// not three sep[arate things, all the same thing, God. that's the whole point.

It's meant to be a part of him.

Holy spirit the spiritual part and his son the flesh and blood. Hence... son. Children are flesh and blood.

Hence Jesus referring to his father in his teachings.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's meant to be a part of him.

Holy spirit the spiritual part and his son the flesh and blood. Hence... son. Children are flesh and blood.

Hence Jesus referring to his father in his teachings.

um, no, God literally raped Mary in order to give birth to himself. God was taking flesh form to give his OWN message. Jesus is not a separate entity from God, he was God incarnate come to earth to deliver his own word because humans had supposedly become so corrupt and not living by his word that he had to come to earth to spread his own word and deliver the true word of god.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's meant to be a part of him.

Holy spirit the spiritual part and his son the flesh and blood. Hence... son. Children are flesh and blood.

Hence Jesus referring to his father in his teachings.

I think Alex is right actually, the father, son and holy spirit are all supposed to be one and the same. That's what we always learned anyway in school etc

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think Alex is right actually, the father, son and holy spirit are all supposed to be one and the same. That's what we always learned anyway in school etc

They're all a part of him and together they make the holy trinity.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

They're all a part of him and together they make the holy trinity.

I understood it the way Alex is saying anyhow (not that I was ever paying much attention in religion lol)

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

um, no, God literally raped Mary in order to give birth to himself. God was taking flesh form to give his OWN message. Jesus is not a separate entity from God, he was God incarnate come to earth to deliver his own word because humans had supposedly become so corrupt and not living by his word that he had to come to earth to spread his own word and deliver the true word of god.

God isn't human so, no, he didn't literally rape Mary.

Jesus was still a separate entity, made from God and designed to spread his word.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

God isn't human so, no, he didn't literally rape Mary.

Jesus was still a separate entity, made from God and designed to spread his word.

got impreganted Mary without consent (then sent an angel to inform her) so that he could take flesh form on earth as a human being, Jesus of Nazareth.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think Alex is right actually, the father, son and holy spirit are all supposed to be one and the same. That's what we always learned anyway in school etc

Thank you, i know i'm not just making this up. lol i went to sunday school too many times to just be making this up. It was always made very clear that God/Jesus/Holy spirit were all ONE God. Three different manifestations but all part of the same all powerful God.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by lostalex

It didn't go over my head at all, it's all meant to be god. God above, God as flesh, and then the spirit of god in all of us,.... all GOD// not three sep[arate things, all the same thing, God. that's the whole point. if you didn't get that, sounds like you're the one that missed the point.

Lostalex has it right here I'm afraid...

Father, Son and Holy Spirit = Holy Trinity = God


I think the best way to think of Jesus is that he is basically an "avatar"... he's God in human form, but also, an individual in his own right (in terms of human experiences), which is what would make his death a "sacrifice" (the sacrifice of the human life that God was living in that body, and the pain and suffering he endured in that body) but he is not actually a separate entity to God in most Christian lore, basically. Also the resurrection isn't a resurrection, as such, the human body is still dead but God himself obviously can't die, and simply leaves back to Heaven or wherever God hangs his hat. The human "Jesus" will live with God from that point forward, but I guess that would be sort of a metaphor; that "life" stays with him.

And obviously there's the whole "second coming" thing where he's supposed to come back at some point and sort sh*t out, which seems sort of overdue, but who knows?

He is separate in Islamic literature of course, where he is simply a Great Prophet of God, so just a normal human given special status by God.


Disclaimer: Obviously it's all BS but it does make pretty compelling fantasy sci-fi... I reckon I'd really like Biblical stuff if it WAS regarded as just some good ol' fiction . Like... I'd totally watch it... that's some LoTR / GoT level stuff right there.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Thank you, i know i'm not just making this up. lol i went to sunday school too many times to just be making this up.

Yeah, I was born into Catholicism and we did religion (Catholic indoctrination basically) all through school and that's how I always understood it

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

God isn't human so, no, he didn't literally rape Mary.

Jesus was still a separate entity, made from God and designed to spread his word.

He violated her bodily autonomy and impregnated her / forced her to carry a child without her consent... I mean obviously it's not literal rape as there was no sexual act, but... it sure is something, if it was in a modern context there would be outrage . He'd probably have to try like 10 times. "Oh FFS, aborted AGAIN??"

(Again, disclaimer, it's all fantasy and if the Jesus/Mary/Joseph story has any historical accuracy... then Mary and Joseph were being bad and didn't want anyone to find out )

[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, I was born into Catholicism and we did religion (Catholic indoctrination basically) all through school and that's how I always understood it

its where the various branches of christianity clearly diverge then, because certainly he was a son and not god himself in what i learnt

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

its where the various branches of christianity clearly diverge then, because certainly he was a son and not god himself in what i learnt

I'm pretty sure the basis of every branch of christianity is still that Jesus was God. That's pretty universal... at least I thought it was...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

its where the various branches of christianity clearly diverge then, because certainly he was a son and not god himself in what i learnt

Quite possibly BOTS, I know there are some differences between Catholic beliefs and Protestant like whether the Eucharist is symbolic or literal etc

[lostalex]

If you don't believe that Jesus was God then you aren't a christian... the bible makes it very clear the difference between prophets that spoke the word of God, and the actual EVENT of GOD coming to earth. That's the whole point of the new testament. and if you don't believe the new testament, then you're basically just a Jew. to put it bluntly.

[Marsh.]

The fumes.

The way TS explains in his first post is exactly how I meant.

Jesus is not God in and of himself. He is a part of God. Very different. Hence being the son.

All of the parts collectively are God.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The fumes.

The way TS explains in his first post is exactly how I meant.

Jesus is not God in and of himself. He is a part of God. Very different. Hence being the son.

All of the parts collectively are God.

no. it's very clear. Jesus was God actually coming to earth. he was God, like literally. If you don't believe that Jesus was God, then you aren't a christian, that's the entire reason for the religion.