[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Don't park illegally then. It isn't rocket science. We are living in world it seems where no one, except the Government, is expected to take any responsibility for their actions.

It's the government which have created the shortfall forcing councils to enforce more fines, many of which are overturned on appeal so they are not even an offence to begin with.
My daughter got one where the yellow line was entirely obscured by dead leaves! it was overturned.

I thought this govt hated bureaucracy and regulation... now it's ok to have a fully automated 'computer says no' nation because it facilitates the removal of your cash?

The thread is dealing with the issue of the impact of these fines on mental health, yet with your cutting sideswipe you have chosen to ignore that aspect to focus on your duty to defend without question every single governmental or council decision.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's the government which have created the shortfall forcing councils to enforce more fines, many of which are overturned on appeal so they are not even an offence to begin with.
My daughter got one where the yellow line was entirely obscured by dead leaves! it was overturned.

I thought this govt hated bureaucracy and regulation... now it's ok to have a fully automated 'computer says no' nation because it facilitates the removal of your cash?

The thread is dealing with the issue of the impact of these fines on mental health, yet with your cutting sideswipe you have chosen to ignore that aspect to focus on your duty to defend without question every single governmental or council decision.

Kizzy this is not a Government bashing incident it is one specific to the dead boy and his condition and if it wast a parking fine it would have been something else.

[Livia]

I'm no psychologist but I reckon the parking fines were just one of a myriad of things this man was depressed about. Blaming everything on parking fines is so simplistic. Everyone has a certain amount of debt at some point in their life, some can manage it, some can't... parking tickets just aren't the issue here.

I have never paid a parking fine, I've never paid a speeding ticket... and that's because I stick to the speed limit and I don't park where I shouldn't. If you don't want to pay, don't break the law.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm no psychologist but I reckon the parking fines were just one of a myriad of things this man was depressed about. Blaming everything on parking fines is so simplistic. Everyone has a certain amount of debt at some point in their life, some can manage it, some can't... parking tickets just aren't the issue here.

I have never paid a parking fine, I've never paid a speeding ticket... and that's because I stick to the speed limit and I don't park where I shouldn't. If you don't want to pay, don't break the law.

Is't that what you would call 'supposition'?

Isn't it a civil offence, you're not actually breaking any law are you?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is't that what you would call 'supposition'?

Isn't it a civil offence, you're not actually breaking any law are you?

No, that's what you'd call, my opinion.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, that's what you'd call, my opinion.

can't be having one of them

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

can't be having one of them

Oh go on... everyone else has got one.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, that's what you'd call, my opinion.

Well then that's totally fine then obviously, like you said you're no psychologist.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well then that's totally fine then obviously, like you said you're no psychologist.

You don't have to be a psychologist to see that this man had problems if he couldn't cope with the repercussions of not paying a parking fine.

That was my point.

For clarification.

Because I think you take everything I say quite literally.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm no psychologist but I reckon the parking fines were just one of a myriad of things this man was depressed about. Blaming everything on parking fines is so simplistic. Everyone has a certain amount of debt at some point in their life, some can manage it, some can't... parking tickets just aren't the issue here.

Yeah I agree with this. It may have been what finally pushed him over the edge, but if it was not this fine it could be something equally as trivial.

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah I agree with this. It may have been what finally pushed him over the edge, but if it was not this fine it could be something equally as trivial.

I dont think it is trivial to be harassed by bailiffs and then have your most important possession in your life, and only source of income, taken from you.

This man was backed into a corner and the only way he could see out was to hang himself in a forest. How alone he must have felt.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Kizzy this is not a Government bashing incident it is one specific to the dead boy and his condition and if it wast a parking fine it would have been something else.

This is a debate on fines... my query is specifically relating to council funding being drawn from fines and therefore entirely relevant.
If you don't agree let it be known I don't care, that is my view.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

This is a debate on fines... my query is specifically relating to council funding being drawn from fines and therefore entirely relevant.
If you don't agree let it be known I don't care, that is my view.

lol, er no it isnt

its a shoddy piece of tv journalism missing the point and indulging a mother who should know better

its nothing to do with bloody fines

did you watch the video?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

lol, er no it isnt

its a shoddy piece of tv journalism missing the point and indulging a mother who should know better

its nothing to do with bloody fines

did you watch the video?

Of course I did before you commence with the trolling, the effects of that were evident IMO.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Of course I did before you commence with the trolling, the effects of that were evident IMO.

I think the person who is at odds with just about every poster in the thread in some desperate attempt to pin this politically may be the one who could be considered "trolling"

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think the person who is at odds with just about every poster in the thread in some desperate attempt to pin this politically may be the one who could be considered "trolling"

'At odds'? I had an OPINION on council funding and there began some accusation...
I have never let other posters manipulate my feeling on any issue and am perfectly capable of reasoning my thoughts on any given topic thank you.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Kizzy this is not a Government bashing incident it is one specific to the dead boy and his condition and if it wast a parking fine it would have been something else.

Couldn't agree more. The government didn't kill the boy... It's a sad, sad tragedy, and this was just the final straw for him.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Couldn't agree more. The government didn't kill the boy... It's a sad, sad tragedy, and this was just the final straw for him.

Who said they did?! :/

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who said they did?! :/

Nobody. That comment wasn't supposed to be taken literally.