[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is't that what you would call 'supposition'?

Isn't it a civil offence, you're not actually breaking any law are you?

No, that's what you'd call, my opinion.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, that's what you'd call, my opinion.

can't be having one of them

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

can't be having one of them

Oh go on... everyone else has got one.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Kizzy this is not a Government bashing incident it is one specific to the dead boy and his condition and if it wast a parking fine it would have been something else.

Couldn't agree more. The government didn't kill the boy... It's a sad, sad tragedy, and this was just the final straw for him.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

lol, er no it isnt

its a shoddy piece of tv journalism missing the point and indulging a mother who should know better

its nothing to do with bloody fines

did you watch the video?

Of course I did before you commence with the trolling, the effects of that were evident IMO.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Couldn't agree more. The government didn't kill the boy... It's a sad, sad tragedy, and this was just the final straw for him.

Who said they did?! :/

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, that's what you'd call, my opinion.

Well then that's totally fine then obviously, like you said you're no psychologist.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who said they did?! :/

Nobody. That comment wasn't supposed to be taken literally.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well then that's totally fine then obviously, like you said you're no psychologist.

You don't have to be a psychologist to see that this man had problems if he couldn't cope with the repercussions of not paying a parking fine.

That was my point.

For clarification.

Because I think you take everything I say quite literally.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Of course I did before you commence with the trolling, the effects of that were evident IMO.

I think the person who is at odds with just about every poster in the thread in some desperate attempt to pin this politically may be the one who could be considered "trolling"

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

You don't have to be a psychologist to see that this man had problems if he couldn't cope with the repercussions of not paying a parking fine.

That was my point.

For clarification.

Because I think you take everything I say quite literally.

You had already clarified it was your opinion, no further clarification was necessary I was perfectly satisfied with that.

How odd that you used the word literally... I literally used that myself yesterday and Ashley used it just then... That's literally quite spooky isn't it?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You had already clarified it was your opinion, no further clarification was necessary I was perfectly satisfied with that.

How odd that you used the word literally... I literally used that myself yesterday and Ashley used it just then... That's literally quite spooky isn't it?

You make no sense when you're trying wildly to justify your comments.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think the person who is at odds with just about every poster in the thread in some desperate attempt to pin this politically may be the one who could be considered "trolling"

'At odds'? I had an OPINION on council funding and there began some accusation...
I have never let other posters manipulate my feeling on any issue and am perfectly capable of reasoning my thoughts on any given topic thank you.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'At odds'? I had an OPINION on council funding and there began some accusation...
I have never let other posters manipulate my feeling on any issue and am perfectly capable of reasoning my thoughts on any given topic thank you.

That's really quite sad. I have been known to change my mind after a compelling argument from someone. Otherwise I'd be imagining I'm always right. Which I'm not.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

You make no sense when you're trying wildly to justify your comments.

I don't have to justify my comments to you, derailing the thread as can happen when you get bogged down in these kinds of discussions isn't wise. I think I've made my point.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't have to justify my comments to you, derailing the thread as can happen when you get bogged down in these kinds of discussions isn't wise. I think I've made my point.

And yet you try so hard.

And yes, you've made your point. The government is to blame.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

That's really quite sad. I have been known to change my mind after a compelling argument from someone. Otherwise I'd be imagining I'm always right. Which I'm not.

Then that would come after the reasoning of the thoughts wouldn't it? My point was I don't blindly follow the majority view.

I know very well you're not always right but It's very noble of you to admit it. Thank you.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then that would come after the reasoning of the thoughts wouldn't it? My point was I don't blindly follow the majority view.

I know very well you're not always right but It's very noble of you to admit it. Thank you.

And very ignoble that you don't.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There was so much that mum wasnt telling however. She should not have been on the TV. Does she even consider that baliffs have debts, family, worries

dreadful by This Morning

Yes its a sad story

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

And yet you try so hard.

And yes, you've made your point. The government is to blame.

I'm leaving the discussion as I feel this comment is baiting. My view on this was clarified earlier.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm leaving the discussion as I feel this comment is baiting. My view on this was clarified earlier.

Whatever...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm no psychologist but I reckon the parking fines were just one of a myriad of things this man was depressed about. Blaming everything on parking fines is so simplistic. Everyone has a certain amount of debt at some point in their life, some can manage it, some can't... parking tickets just aren't the issue here.

Yeah I agree with this. It may have been what finally pushed him over the edge, but if it was not this fine it could be something equally as trivial.

[waterhog]

when you are desperate you mind is not always thinking to its best ability and for these sharks to exploit your weakness - shame on them.

horrid story.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by waterhog

when you are desperate you mind is not always thinking to its best ability and for these sharks to exploit your weakness - shame on them.

horrid story.

There is no shame in collecting a legal debt

there is however shame in avoiding paying one

[DemolitionRed]

A lot of these parking tickets are not fines, at least in the legal sense, they are invoices. An official ticket (that normally now arrives by post) will have the heading, "Penalty Charge Notice". An unofficial ticket will have the heading, "Parking Charge Notice". I've had a ticket (not a fine) in my place of work for not properly displaying my parking pass. I disputed this with my employers/land owners and it was cancelled.

People need to learn the difference between a fine and an invoice because as long as its not something selfish, like blocking access or parking in a disabled zone without a disabled badge, you can usually get those tickets cancelled.