[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Tell me Withano, do you date girls?

Better message Cherie to see if its okay to move the goalpost to here first

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Lynette69

OK ... I'm stepping out ... if I want a character assisination due to my beliefs it's Sunday I can go to church for that so u enjoy rpiping each other down cos I've had that for 30 years and I DON'T need to defend myself or anyone else. I will use a label to help others ... I will let words or statements slide to try and support others but I will not actively become and that are or and victim just to make whoever feel strong ... I could debate the whole genetics argument ... the nature nurture debate even the Pepsi versus coke debate but I damn sure won't feel like I have to explain me !!!

And I was just about to welcome you to tibb. This probably isn't the place for the easily offended.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

And I was just about to welcome you to tibb. This probably isn't the place for the easily offended.

Too right Especially trans threads. Always end up a bit...fighty

[bots]

Originally Posted by Withano

Better message Cherie to see if its okay to move the goalpost to here first

deflection

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Better message Cherie to see if its okay to move the goalpost to here first

I don't need permission. And you didn't answer the question. I'm trying to understand where you are coming from.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

deflection

Almost as if thats the point i was trying to make, odd

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Almost as if thats the point i was trying to make, odd

Still waiting for an answer?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I don't need permission. And you didn't answer the question. I'm trying to understand where you are coming from.

Ok fair enough.

From my perspective, people have turn ons and turn offs, they are unique to each person and they are perfectly fine in every instance. Ginuwine is absolutely 100% fine by me by not wanting to date any transwoman. LT made a good point in saying he is turned off by big hands and big feet, and that makes complete sense. Others were asked why they wouldnt date a trans. Their response was more in the word trans itself, and their chromosomes. This doesnt make sense to me. This seems more of an internal issue than an external one (unlike hands and feet). All I done before the argument was clarify that I understood correctly, because I couldnt understand the logic there. If they were to say they liked a masculine jawline then I wouldnt have responded at all, that is a turn on for them and makes complete sense, a sexual attraction to chromosomes, not so much.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

Ok fair enough.

From my perspective, people have turn ons and turn offs, they are unique to each person and they are perfectly fine in every instance. Ginuwine is absolutely 100% fine by me by not wanting to date any transwoman. LT made a good point in saying he is turned off by big hands and big feet, and that makes complete sense. Others were asked why they wouldnt date a trans. Their response was more in the word trans itself, and their chromosomes. This doesnt make sense to me. This seems more of an internal issue than an external one (unlike hands and feet). All I done before the argument was clarify that I understood correctly, because I couldnt understand the logic there. If they were to say they liked a masculine jawline then I wouldnt have responded at all, that is a turn on for them and makes complete sense, a sexual attraction to chromosomes, not so much.

You understand LT and not me. Because LT's issue is physical and mine is not.

Well, maybe the issue is your own comprehension.

[Livia]

I'm still waiting with great anticipation to find out whether withano dates girls. I can't make a proper judgement of him if I don't know.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

You understand LT and not me. Because LT's issue is physical and mine is not.

Well, maybe the issue is your own comprehension.

No I understand that yours isnt physical, I just wanted to clarify that it was your internal issue to learn more about the poll results I guess. I am genuinely interested in the responses.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Livia

You understand LT and not me. Because LT's issue is physical and mine is not.

Well, maybe the issue is your own comprehension.

I think it is physical though as the ‘bits’ are not flesh and blood, they are constructed. Can’t see how that differs from men not being attracted to women with breast implants. Although in the case of transgenders it goes deeper than that. It is physical and psychological.

I find neither the physical or the psychological aspects of a transgender attractive and reserve the right to that opinion. I owe no one an explanation of my preferences.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Ok fair enough.

From my perspective, people have turn ons and turn offs, they are unique to each person and they are perfectly fine in every instance. Ginuwine is absolutely 100% fine by me by not wanting to date any transwoman. LT made a good point in saying he is turned off by big hands and big feet, and that makes complete sense. Others were asked why they wouldnt date a trans. Their response was more in the word trans itself, and their chromosomes. This doesnt make sense to me. This seems more of an internal issue than an external one (unlike hands and feet). All I done before the argument was clarify that I understood correctly, because I couldnt understand the logic there. If they were to say they liked a masculine jawline then I wouldnt have responded at all, that is a turn on for them and makes complete sense

Let me explain. A woman has two x chromosones and a male an x and y. Your dna is like the lego of you and so someone with xx lego will most likely have female characteristics in regard to size, shape, structure. Someone with an xy will be constructed with male characteristics. While you can have a short man and a tall woman, their physical structure is still going to be different. I believe they have discovered that being gay or straight is also in the genes.

What you are demanding of people in this thread is exactly the same as demanding that a gay man must date butch women because they look more manly.

And you are evading my question when Livia gave you the curtesy of her time and answering your interrogation.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You and the fear of a constructed penis, lol snunday afternoon on the tibb forum, more tea vicar?

Since when did not being sexually attracted to someone or something equate to fear?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Lynette69

On this word constructed ... does that mean a so called straight man wouldn't sleep with a woman who had had breast reconstruction then because surely just by definition they would have been constructed? In fact any kind of cosmetic surgery ....

Yes there are some men who don't find fake tits attractive. Shocking I know.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

But that is to do with words. You would be physically into that man, until you learn he is a transman? (Unless youre an expert at spotting 'constructed penis', I'd argue that your issue is only in your own mind)

Have you seen the constructed penis? There's an obvious difference.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Lynette69

I do not knock preference ... what I do question is the word constructed ... and really u want to use genetics etc ? Sorry not had enough caffeine yet .. brew anyone ?

What's there to question about it?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm still waiting with great anticipation to find out whether withano dates girls. I can't make a proper judgement of him if I don't know.

Me too but he seems to have exited stage left.

Shameful sexual orientation bullying attempt towards you from 2 people on this thread.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Let me explain. A woman has two x chromosones and a male an x and y. Your dna is like the lego of you and so someone with xx lego will most likely have female characteristics in regard to size, shape, structure. Someone with an xy will be constructed with male characteristics. While you can have a short man and a tall woman, their physical structure is still going to be different. I believe they have discovered that being gay or straight is also in the genes.

What you are demanding of people in this thread is exactly the same as demanding that a gay man must date butch women because they look more manly.

And you are evading my question when Livia gave you the curtesy of her time and answering your interrogation.

I dont know what gay men and butch women have to do with the points I've discussed so far.. i dont think youre actually reading what I'm saying at all. If those are the parallels you think I'm drawing, you cant have.

We were discussing an obviously attractive male, and at what point they become an unattractive transmale. Learning their chromosomes does not really make logical sense to me, but I clarified that they were entitled to that answer. But it would suggest that their issue with dating trans is more internal. The physical body structure that come along with chromosomes were irrelevant in the discussion, but a masculine body structure would obviously be a plausible reason to find some transmen unattractive, in the same way that big hands or feet is a plausible reason for not wanting to date some transwomen (not that it is relevant to this specific scenario though, he had an incredibly masculine body structure). I'm not demanding anything from anyone, just discussing the points that they, themselves brought up.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Since when did not being sexually attracted to someone or something equate to fear?

You must of missed lol in my post, but like others on here you only see what you want to see or interpret a members post

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You must of missed lol in my post, but like others on here you only see what you want to see or interpret a members post

I only have what is posted to go off.

Maybe if your jokes were actually jokes and not ways to mock some other people's opinions it would be more convincing.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Withano

I dont know what gay men and butch women have to do with the points I've discussed so far.. i dont think youre actually reading what I'm saying at all. If those are the parallels you think I'm drawing, you cant have.

We were discussing an obviously attractive male, and at what point they become an unattractive transmale. Learning their chromosomes does not really make logical sense to me, but I clarified that they were entitled to that answer. But it would suggest that their issue with dating trans is more internal. The physical body structure that come along with chromosomes were irrelevant in the discussion, but a masculine body structure would obviously be a plausible reason to find some transmen unattractive (not this specific scenario though, he had an incredibly masculine body structure). I'm not demanding anything from anyone, just discussing the points that they, themselves brought up.

You asked valid questions as did smithy, but instead of answering those questions members took you all round the houses.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I dont know what gay men and butch women have to do with the points I've discussed so far.. i dont think youre actually reading what I'm saying at all. If those are the parallels you think I'm drawing, you cant have.

We were discussing an obviously attractive male, and at what point they become an unattractive transmale. Learning their chromosomes does not really make logical sense to me, but I clarified that they were entitled to that answer. But it would suggest that their issue with dating trans is more internal. The physical body structure that come along with chromosomes were irrelevant in the discussion, but a masculine body structure would obviously be a plausible reason to find some transmen unattractive, in the same way that big hands or feet is a plausible reason for not wanting to date some transwomen (not that it is relevant to this specific scenario though, he had an incredibly masculine body structure). I'm not demanding anything from anyone, just discussing the points that they, themselves brought up.

You still didn't answer my question.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I only have what is posted to go off.

Maybe if your jokes were actually jokes and not ways to mock some other people's opinions it would be more convincing.

Livia was going on about her not wanting a constructed penis, you said in another thread about the actress from Corrie having a bald dolls fanny, I was not mocking Livia

I don't come on tibb looking for arguments or kiss arse, I come on to be me!.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Livia was going on about her not wanting a constructed penis, you said in another thread about the actress from Corrie having a bald dolls fanny, I was not mocking Livia

What's my post in a completely different thread got to do with this one?