[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I simply asked you to answer a question, and even clarified in my post that you wasnt wrong in your answer, you dont have to discuss your preference if you dont want to. But I've concluded from your posts that you wouldnt date a trans because of the word trans, now I'm asking if I'm right or wrong? You dont need to get defensive.

I answered. Didn’t realise it needed approval first.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

I have to agree. I've found this conversation quite hostile, and the claims that you are irate or you need to calm down, are made only to wind you up. What a shame.

Yes clearly baiting, it happens a lot in SD as well which is why it is a shadow of its former self, I'm out catch you later!

[Vanessa]

I would be a bit apprehensive. But if we really clicked then maybe I would. I'm not scared of something new.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I answered. Didn’t realise it needed approval first.

...thats fine, i just wanted to clarify that your issue was with the word trans, and even said in that post that you were entitled to that.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

No not at all, your answers didnt make sense to me, so I wanted to clarify if I was right. LT's answer did make sense to me. I don't care what gender yoh are, many men may answer the same way as you, and I'd ask them the same questions, some women may answer in a similar way to LT, and I'd understand where theyre coming from.

So can I deduce from what you've said, that you are attracted to absolutely everyone. There is no one you wouldn't be sexually attracted to? And if not, who would you not be attracted to and why? Because essentially, that's what I'm being asked.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Where the **** is he from then?

Do you think the average transman passes that well? They definitely do not. Usually they just look like butch women. From my experience anyway

Transwomen pass even less often. Especially late transitioning ones such as India.

It does seem to be easier for transmen to pas than transwomen overall though. Testosterone seems to be an amazing substance.

[Lynette69]

OK ... I'm stepping out ... if I want a character assisination due to my beliefs it's Sunday I can go to church for that so u enjoy rpiping each other down cos I've had that for 30 years and I DON'T need to defend myself or anyone else. I will use a label to help others ... I will let words or statements slide to try and support others but I will not actively become and that are or and victim just to make whoever feel strong ... I could debate the whole genetics argument ... the nature nurture debate even the Pepsi versus coke debate but I damn sure won't feel like I have to explain me !!!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes clearly baiting, it happens a lot in SD as well which is why it is a shadow of its former self, I'm out catch you later!

So true about SD. Later, Cherie...

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

So can I deduce from what you've said, that you are attracted to absolutely everyone. There is no one you wouldn't be sexually attracted to? And if not, who would you not be attracted to and why? Because essentially, that's what I'm being asked.

I think you need to reread the conversation, i simply wanted to know more about your mindset because i thought smithy posed a good question in 'up until what point would you find this man attractive'. The way you answered didnt make logical sense to me, you even started bringing up chromosomes as if he was sexually attractive until here... and now we're in a place I dont fully understand.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Lynette69

OK ... I'm stepping out ... if I want a character assisination due to my beliefs it's Sunday I can go to church for that so u enjoy rpiping each other down cos I've had that for 30 years and I DON'T need to defend myself or anyone else. I will use a label to help others ... I will let words or statements slide to try and support others but I will not actively become and that are or and victim just to make whoever feel strong ... I could debate the whole genetics argument ... the nature nurture debate even the Pepsi versus coke debate but I damn sure won't feel like I have to explain me !!!

What? No one has attacked you. This is a forum. For discussion!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I have met lots of attractive men. And if it got to the point of undressing in the bedroom and they had not told me clearly they were transsexual, when they pulled out their constructed penis, I would be calling for a cab.

Well indeed. People can say no at any stage and thats fine surely. Even with biological men, sorry if this makes me shallow or whatever but if I was really attracted til I got him undressed then I saw a micropenis or balls the size of bowling balls....or loads and loads of saggy skin or something, sorry that would be a no.

And before anyone tries to turn this on me, no I wouldn't be arsed if someone decided to say no once I was naked for whatever reason. Tis life. It may be a bit hurtful sure, but I would get over it.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It’s personal choice. No more complicated than that.

I wouldn't even necessarily say its personal choice, I would say its sexuality. Bi people are more likely to be able to say yes to this question, I reckon.

Surely we are not going back to the days where it is claimed that sexuality is a choice rather than something innate?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

I think you need to reread the conversation, i simply wanted to know more about your mindset because i thought smithy posed a good question in 'up until what point would you find this man attractive'. The way you answered didnt make logical sense to me, and now we're in a place I dont fully understand.

I do not find transsexuals attractive. It's not compulsory. and I don't know why you need to know the exact reason unless you're trying to back me into a position where you can claim I am a bigot. And I am not.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

But that is to do with words. You would be physically into that man, until you learn he is a transman? (Unless youre an expert at spotting 'constructed penis', I'd argue that your issue is only in your own mind)

Withano please tell me you are joking here. Its not hard to tell. At all. Have you ever seen the results of SRS? If not, google a few...then tell me that people would not be able to tell unless experts

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Withano please tell me you are joking here. Its not hard to tell. At all. Have you ever seen the results of SRS? If not, google a few...then tell me that people would not be able to tell unless experts

I did google before writing that.. they looked realistic to me..

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Livia

What? No one has attacked you. This is a forum. For discussion!

It came across a bit the other way to me. She seemed to be suggesting there was something wrong with choosing not to date a transgender, unless I got that wrong.

Straight, gay, transgender whatever we all have a right to choice and not to be made to feel that we have to accommodate other peoples’ views on ‘acceptable’ reasons for choice.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

I do not find transsexuals attractive. It's not compulsory. and I don't know why you need to know the exact reason unless you're trying to back me into a position where you can claim I am a bigot. And I am not.

But you saw a photo of an obviously attractive man
You were asked when he becomes unattractive
Yours and brillos answer was essentially when i find out his chromosomes
And i wanted to clarify that, because it was deeply illogical to me

Unlike LT's 'I dont like hig hands or big feet' which is a much easier concept to grap

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

I do not find transsexuals attractive. It's not compulsory. and I don't know why you need to know the exact reason unless you're trying to back me into a position where you can claim I am a bigot. And I am not.

The simple reason is trans people don't walk around with
Signs above their heads, you see someone and think they look nice without knowing they where transsexual, but you have this special power.

As a straight man I have looked at people and found them attractive after knowing they were
Trans did not make them unattracted

That's the only reason this debate as gone on so long

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I did google before writing that.. they looked realistic to me..

Jesus christ...even transmen say they are ridiculous and thats the reason they don't tend to actually go through with surgery as they are nothing at all like the real thing.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Withano

But you saw a photo of an obviously attractive man
You were asked when he becomes unattractive
Yours and brillos answer was essentially when i find out his chromosomes
And i wanted to clarify that, because it was deeply illogical to me

Unlike LT's 'I dont like hig hands or big feet' which is a much easier concept to grap

There is much more to sexual attraction than can be obtained from a photo, to suggest otherwise is blatantly shallow

[Vicky.]

Maybe I just have more experience of penises than you do so can tell easier

Answers on a postcard

Then again I have next to no experience of vaginas in a sexual setting and would know a colon created hold from a real vagina when I saw one. Once I was up close to it anyway

what a conversation

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

The simple reason is trans people don't walk around with
Signs above their heads, you see someone and think they look nice without knowing they where transsexual, but you have this special power.

As a straight man I have looked at people and found them attractive after knowing they were
Trans did not make them unattracted

That's the only reason this debate as gone on so long

Different viewpoints. There is no wrong viewpoint here as long as people respect the choice of others.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Jesus christ...even transmen say they are ridiculous and thats the reason they don't tend to actually go through with surgery as they are nothing at all like the real thing.

Im just going off like three photos, I can take you word for it.. i can see why an attractive man would become an unattractive man if he had an unattractive penis.. the conversation seemed to be more about the word trans and their chromosomes though which doesnt make sense to me

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

...thats fine, i just wanted to clarify that your issue was with the word trans, and even said in that post that you were entitled to that.

Tell me Withano, do you date girls?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Different viewpoints. There is no wrong viewpoint here as long as people respect the choice of others.

I do respect Livia very much so.