[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Oh definitely, she's deeply insecure and taking offense to everything, but I don't see why that still makes her male. The social conditioning is a good point, and an example of why she'd never be able to relate to women fully, but at the same time you could argue that gay people, in the closet for however many number of years, are/were subject to a lifetime of heterosexual conditioning by family members, the media, friends etc. and yet are still gay.

Male social conditioning could mean many things really and as Andrew pointed out in his argument with India, he wouldn't be comfortable with how he dresses/speaks in, say, a more macho environment. Yet he's still benefited from this male conditioning, whereas she's presumably been suppressed by it (I say 'presumably' because I don't know how long ago it was that she transitioned / even wanted to transition).



I don't really buy the "ambassador for the _____ community" stuff, really, and not sure why she should be an example of how to treat and view everyone else inside it. If it's set them back then that's because people are viewing them all as the same The only community she's really set back imo is the "narcissistic crybaby" community, and thankfully that's just This Morning guests.

That's different though, being gay is just who you are sexually attracted to. Where as part of being a woman involves how you are treated all through your life as a woman, as a girl, as a teenager. Whilst India may have felt like she was a woman for those 50 years when she was living as a man, she was still being treated like a boy, a teenage boy and a man

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's different though, being gay is just who you are sexually attracted to. Where as part of being a woman involves how you are treated all through your life as a woman, as a girl, as a teenager. Whilst India may have felt like she was a woman for those 50 years when she was living as a man, she was still being treated like a boy, a teenage boy and a man

Yes, you put it much better than me

[GreenIce]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Whilst India may have felt like she was a woman for those 50 years when she was living as a man, she was still being treated like a boy, a teenage boy and a man

And married a woman and fathered a son. So was India a lesbian woman trapped in a man's body back then and now she's a straight woman?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by GreenIce

And married a woman and fathered a son. So was India a lesbian woman trapped in a man's body back then and now she's a straight woman?

Well that's a different point entirely to what I was trying to make. I guess people live lies alot when trying to hide stuff

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GreenIce

And married a woman and fathered a son. So was India a lesbian woman trapped in a man's body back then and now she's a straight woman?

Its not really any different to gay people marrying women (or men in the cases of lesbians...not sure if thats as common though) and having kids. India was a gay man not admitting to themselves about being gay, or purposely hiding it...

Or India is and always was bi. As sexuality does not just change like that..surely That would kind of imply its a choice, and I am sure many people would disagree with that. I know I disagree that sexuality is a choice, which is why I have no issues at all with Genuwine not wanting to shag a male person, as a straight man.

I am kind of uncomfortable talking in depth about someone elses sexuality tbh. Only India knows this for sure.