[Cal.]

We all know that the three things that 'killed' C4 BB were the combination of Nikki being able to return and be eligible to win, the CBB5 racism row and then the BB8 all female launch which was mostly filled with 'fame hungry wannabees.' This resulted in the ratings decline over the last 3 years on C4 BB and resulted in C4 axing it.

After that, you could argue that BB had already been 'killed' - but for arguments sake BB14, CBB14, CBB15 did really well in the ratings after a worrying few years and then BB17 also improved in the ratings, providing evidence the show was building itself back up after Timebomb so C5 BB was doing 'okay' by it's low standards.

Then Bear comes along, behaves despicably, bullies majority of his fellow housemates and then wins the series. People decide to switch off. Intense rumours follow for an 'All Stars' series of CBB with big former names rumoured including Katie Price, Perez Hilton and Katie Hopkins (the trio were a fixture in C5's most popular series CBB15). The 'All Stars' line up for said CBB series instead includes names such as Jasmine Waltz and Coleen Nolan. People decide to switch off this series and not watch due to the disappointing line up. THEN the next civilian run of the show BB18 features a large number of 'civilians' who are actually not civilians. Many have featured on other television shows and have large social media followings and would be able to qualify for the celebrity version of the show. Many people decide to switch off - hence the low ratings.

SO IN SHORT - the 3 things that 'killed' C5 BB were Bear winning CBB18, CBB19 having a disappointing 'All Star' line up and then BB18 being filled with people who could have qualified for the celebrity show which already has 2 runs a year.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Cal.

We all know that the three things that 'killed' C4 BB were the combination of Nikki being able to return and be eligible to win, the CBB5 racism row and then the BB8 all female launch which was mostly filled with 'fame hungry wannabees.' This resulted in the ratings decline over the last 3 years on C4 BB and resulted in C4 axing it.

After that, you could argue that BB had already been 'killed' - but for arguments sake BB14, CBB14, CBB15 did really well in the ratings after a worrying few years and then BB17 also improved in the ratings, providing evidence the show was building itself back up after Timebomb so C5 BB was doing 'okay' by it's low standards.

Then Bear comes along, behaves despicably, bullies majority of his fellow housemates and then wins the series. People decide to switch off. Intense rumours follow for an 'All Stars' series of CBB with big former names rumoured including Katie Price, Perez Hilton and Katie Hopkins (the trio were a fixture in C5's most popular series CBB15). The 'All Stars' line up for said CBB series instead includes names such as Jasmine Waltz and Coleen Nolan. People decide to switch off this series and not watch due to the disappointing line up. THEN the next civilian run of the show BB18 features a large number of 'civilians' who are actually not civilians. Many have featured on other television shows and have large social media followings and would be able to qualify for the celebrity version of the show. Many people decide to switch off - hence the low ratings.

SO IN SHORT - the 3 things that 'killed' C5 BB were Bear winning CBB18, CBB19 having a disappointing 'All Star' line up and then BB18 being filled with people who could have qualified for the celebrity show which already has 2 runs a year.

[RileyH]

Originally Posted by Jason.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Jason.

Originally Posted by RileyH

Oh grow up. Stupid girls.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Cal.

We all know that the three things that 'killed' C4 BB were the combination of Nikki being able to return and be eligible to win, the CBB5 racism row and then the BB8 all female launch which was mostly filled with 'fame hungry wannabees.' This resulted in the ratings decline over the last 3 years on C4 BB and resulted in C4 axing it.

After that, you could argue that BB had already been 'killed' - but for arguments sake BB14, CBB14, CBB15 did really well in the ratings after a worrying few years and then BB17 also improved in the ratings, providing evidence the show was building itself back up after Timebomb so C5 BB was doing 'okay' by it's low standards.

Then Bear comes along, behaves despicably, bullies majority of his fellow housemates and then wins the series. People decide to switch off. Intense rumours follow for an 'All Stars' series of CBB with big former names rumoured including Katie Price, Perez Hilton and Katie Hopkins (the trio were a fixture in C5's most popular series CBB15). The 'All Stars' line up for said CBB series instead includes names such as Jasmine Waltz and Coleen Nolan. People decide to switch off this series and not watch due to the disappointing line up. THEN the next civilian run of the show BB18 features a large number of 'civilians' who are actually not civilians. Many have featured on other television shows and have large social media followings and would be able to qualify for the celebrity version of the show. Many people decide to switch off - hence the low ratings.

SO IN SHORT - the 3 things that 'killed' C5 BB were Bear winning CBB18, CBB19 having a disappointing 'All Star' line up and then BB18 being filled with people who could have qualified for the celebrity show which already has 2 runs a year.

Agree with all of this. I also thinks the scripted reality TV shows have proved so popular without causing the controversy BB has caused over the years. They're just as cheap to make, producers have total control over what happens without the hassle

[Lilac hills]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Agree with all of this. I also thinks the scripted reality TV shows have proved so popular without causing the controversy BB has caused over the years. They're just as cheap to make, producers have total control over what happens without the hassle

But the lack of script and how **** naturally pans out is the appeal for me and quite a lot of the bb fanbase. I don’t even really like reality shows but big brother uk is a niche that I don’t think anything else is capable of filling. Obviously we’re not a large enough demographic to base their business decisions on but still

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Lilac hills

But the lack of script and how **** naturally pans out is the appeal for me and quite a lot of the bb fanbase. I don’t even really like reality shows but big brother uk is a niche that I don’t think anything else is capable of filling. Obviously we’re not a large enough demographic to base their business decisions on but still

Me too. I like the chaos of BB but too much producer interfering has ruined that too. The 'scripted' shows offer a more structured narrative but I prefer the chaos.

[Lilac hills]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Me too. I like the chaos of BB but too much producer interfering has ruined that too. The 'scripted' shows offer a more structured narrative but I prefer the chaos.

Exactly. I don’t understand the appeal with structured reality shows as books and movies and other tv series exist all of which have structured plots with way more dynamic and three dimentioal characters that go trough trials and tribulations, instead of Kylie Jenner having an entire show to moan about how hard it is having to use Instagram. Big brother is raw and chaotic which is why I hate it when they do those tasks that artificially create tension and drama

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Lilac hills

Exactly. I don’t understand the appeal with structured reality shows as books and movies and other tv series exist all of which have structured plots with way more dynamic and three dimentioal characters that go trough trials and tribulations, instead of Kylie Jenner having an entire show to moan about how hard it is having to use Instagram. Big brother is raw and chaotic which is why I hate it when they do tasks to artificially create tension and drama

They're cheap to make and unfortunately shows like BB get squeezed out of the schedule

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by Cal.

We all know that the three things that 'killed' C4 BB were the combination of Nikki being able to return and be eligible to win, the CBB5 racism row and then the BB8 all female launch which was mostly filled with 'fame hungry wannabees.' This resulted in the ratings decline over the last 3 years on C4 BB and resulted in C4 axing it.

After that, you could argue that BB had already been 'killed' - but for arguments sake BB14, CBB14, CBB15 did really well in the ratings after a worrying few years and then BB17 also improved in the ratings, providing evidence the show was building itself back up after Timebomb so C5 BB was doing 'okay' by it's low standards.

Then Bear comes along, behaves despicably, bullies majority of his fellow housemates and then wins the series. People decide to switch off. Intense rumours follow for an 'All Stars' series of CBB with big former names rumoured including Katie Price, Perez Hilton and Katie Hopkins (the trio were a fixture in C5's most popular series CBB15). The 'All Stars' line up for said CBB series instead includes names such as Jasmine Waltz and Coleen Nolan. People decide to switch off this series and not watch due to the disappointing line up. THEN the next civilian run of the show BB18 features a large number of 'civilians' who are actually not civilians. Many have featured on other television shows and have large social media followings and would be able to qualify for the celebrity version of the show. Many people decide to switch off - hence the low ratings.

SO IN SHORT - the 3 things that 'killed' C5 BB were Bear winning CBB18, CBB19 having a disappointing 'All Star' line up and then BB18 being filled with people who could have qualified for the celebrity show which already has 2 runs a year.

This + the fact that the BB18 launch aired the same time as an episode of Corrie, making people feel not as obliged to watch having missed it from the start. Bear was definitely the main murderer of it though, since I recall thousands of people declaring they'd never watch again, even prior to him winning, and those figures say all there is to know.