[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Withano

I wasnt thinking of you haha but it is a recurring pattern with some others.

If you care to look back at my posting history from previous series I think you'll find I've never had a problem with LBGT issues, still don't.

What I do have a problem with is Shane J and his vicious sly carry on.

I also have a problem with gay people being thrown out of the "club" for not being the right sort of gay.

Kind of ironic that John B got crucified for even making a joke about a club when Amanda can be dismissed just because she happens to not like Shane J.

Also, there are gay people in here also ashamed of this carry on but it's convenient for you just to ignore them isn't it? Are they not allowed to have LGBT issues because there not the same as your issues.

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[Withano]

Originally Posted by Paula D

If you care to look back at my posting history from previous series I think you'll find I've never had a problem with LBGT issues, still don't.

What I do have a problem with is Shane J and his vicious sly carry on.

I also have a problem with gay people being thrown out of the "club" for not being the right sort of gay.

Kind of ironic that John B got crucified for even making a joke about a club when Amanda can be dismissed just because she happens to not like Shane J.

Also, there are gay people in here also ashamed of this carry on but it's convenient for you just to ignore them isn't it? Are they not allowed to have LGBT issues because there not the same as your issues.

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None of that is a defence? Some people are getting visibly agitated in every single lgbt thread, thats just a fact.

[Marches]

Originally Posted by Withano

None of that is a defence? Some people are getting visibly agitated in every single lgbt thread, thats just a fact.

Because we’re sick of the culty movements that are not needed in the first world and the 373847383 labels

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Marches

Because we’re sick of the culty movements that are not needed in the first world and the 373847383 labels

I'm happy to acknowledge whatever reason anybody gives for being visibly agitated over an lgbt thread, I just think they should probably be aware how it comes across without their excuses.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Withano

None of that is a defence? Some people are getting visibly agitated in every single lgbt thread, thats just a fact.

I don't need a defence. Haven't done a thing wrong.

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[Withano]

Originally Posted by Paula D

I don't need a defence. Haven't done a thing wrong.

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Oh sorry, I missed the point of your response, what was that supposed to be if not a defence?

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Withano

Oh sorry, I missed the point of your response, what was that supposed to be if not a defence?

It was a query as to why you think it's acceptable to dismiss some gay people because they don't live in the hate filled world you do, that's all.

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[Withano]

Originally Posted by Paula D

It was a query as to why you think it's acceptable to dismiss some gay people because they don't live in the hate filled world you do, that's all.

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I have no idea what you're going on about anymore. Are you tired?

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Withano

I have no idea what you're going on about anymore. Are you tired?

Not at all. If you can't answer the question that's fine, don't worry son.

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[HBIC]

Originally Posted by Paula D

If you care to look back at my posting history from previous series I think you'll find I've never had a problem with LBGT issues, still don't.

What I do have a problem with is Shane J and his vicious sly carry on.

I also have a problem with gay people being thrown out of the "club" for not being the right sort of gay.

Kind of ironic that John B got crucified for even making a joke about a club when Amanda can be dismissed just because she happens to not like Shane J.

Also, there are gay people in here also ashamed of this carry on but it's convenient for you just to ignore them isn't it? Are they not allowed to have LGBT issues because there not the same as your issues.

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regarding your last point, internalized homophobia is a real thing. Gay people can be homophobic too.

[Marches]

Originally Posted by HBIC

regarding your last point, internalized homophobia is a real thing. Gay people can be homophobic too.

I don’t have internalised homophobia for identifying this label system will be the fatal flaw of this community

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by HBIC

regarding your last point, internalized homophobia is a real thing. Gay people can be homophobic too.

Yes they can. Do you think Amanda is homophobic? or Wayne? Or is it more likely that they just could not be arsed with Shanes soapboxing and take people as they find them rather than judging them for stuff they have not actually seen?

I mean, I like Shane and all, but his tirade was ****ing tedious and honestly, quite manipulative and transparent

Do you think gay people who that think Shane was wrong to behave that way really have internalized homophobia? Or is another reason much more likely?

[HBIC]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes they can. Do you think Amanda is homophobic? or Wayne? Or is it more likely that they just could not be arsed with Shanes soapboxing and take people as they find them rather than judging them for stuff they have not actually seen?

I mean, I like Shane and all, but his tirade was ****ing tedious and honestly, quite manipulative and transparent

I don't think they are homophobic but they are ignorant. Especially considering if Ann had her way, Amanda wouldn't even be able to enter a civil partnership (since Ann voted against that too).

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by HBIC

I don't think they are homophobic but they are ignorant. Especially considering if Ann had her way, Amanda wouldn't even be able to enter a civil partnership (since Ann voted against that too).

Do they have to be ignorant, or could they maybe just take people as they find them. I expect they would pull her up if she actually said or did anything homophobic in the house. Do you have no friends with differing opinions?

God, if I disowned every friend I had that had an opinion I disagreed with, I would be a complete loner

[HBIC]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Do they have to be ignorant, or could they maybe just take people as they find them. I expect they would pull her up if she actually said or did anything homophobic in the house. Do you have no friends with differing opinions?

God, if I disowned every friend I had that had an opinion I disagreed with, I would be a complete loner

I am not friends with anybody that thinks I shouldn't have the right to marry my partner, so no. Thinking a certain group of people should not have equal rights is not the same as a differing opinion.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by HBIC

I am not friends with anybody that thinks I shouldn't have the right to marry my partner, so no. Thinking a certain group of people should not have equal rights is not the same as a differing opinion.

It can be.

I have quite close friends who (for example) agree with the horrendous ATOS medicals and regularly go on about how many people claiming disability benefits are fakers and such. They moan on about working disabled people being able to claim PIP. Many many awful opinions on the topic. I am disabled and rely on those payments, both when I was able to work and now, when I am not. Occasionally it causes a bit of an argument, if they bring up that **** in my presence. But I still do get on with them, those opinions aside.

My cousin is gay and he is friends with a fair few people who disagree with same sex marriage, and same sex adoption also. Again, this causes arguments at times but he does not stop speaking with them over it.

I guess it just comes down to what kind of person you are and if you can overlook unsavoury views tbh. I wouldn't say my cousin was ignorant. You clearly would. I would say he is just..able to see past peoples views and still get on with them

[Marches]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Do they have to be ignorant, or could they maybe just take people as they find them. I expect they would pull her up if she actually said or did anything homophobic in the house. Do you have no friends with differing opinions?

God, if I disowned every friend I had that had an opinion I disagreed with, I would be a complete loner

Welcome to 2018! Everyone is so used to getting participation medals and feeling special for nothing that we’ve stumbled upon a generation of entitled people that refuse to acknowledge the side they don’t agree with

It’s awesome