[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where... Where has the government done well? :/

..... Brexit negotiations?



nah, sorry, just kidding

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Not true. It's important to point out HOW it was achieved. Otherwise it's ends justify the means.
Tories brought public services to their knees and burdened the poorest more than the richest. It would be very wrong not to recognize that.

"Tories brought public services to their knees"


this obviously is false

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hang on a minute... here you are ticking everyone off, but not DR? Her post was pretty rude and mocking of the forum. Again. And you have a go at everyone but her!

Your last paragraph is just stupid. I don't have to follow your rules, Kizzy. Only the forum rules.

Nope, her issue was with those who mock and snipe but never have anything of substance to say.
It's one of my pet hates too so can fully understand the frustration.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nope, her issue was with those who mock and snipe but never have anything of substance to say.
It's one of my pet hates too so can fully understand the frustration.

Yes, I can fully understand the frustration of someone purposefully mocking and baiting with very little to say... and then apparently not even know they're doing it!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Tories brought public services to their knees"


this obviously is false

Why do you think this, are you ignoring the weight of evidence to the contrary?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Tories brought public services to their knees"


this obviously is false

I'd rather go by reality and not by your interpretation of it, LT

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why do you think this, are you ignoring the weight of evidence to the contrary?

its hyperbole

the type of twaddle that gets shouted through a loud hailer at rallies

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I'd rather go by reality and not by your interpretation of it, LT

then provide actual and specific evidence and not "left wing rally porn"

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, I can fully understand the frustration of someone purposefully mocking and baiting with very little to say... and then apparently not even know they're doing it!

Is this directed at myself or DR?

Should it be myself I feel I do in the main go into chapter and verse about topics, I will research and find relevant material and then be mocked for that also.

I have yet to see any in depth analysis on any given subject in discussion from yourself as you prefer your perspective to be entirely subjective and based on your own personal circumstance or that of those in you social circle...which is all well and good except it isn't representative of the general public or based on any weighted stats is it?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

then provide actual and specific evidence and not "left wing rally porn"

what, spend time proving white is white and black is black? Daily media coverage over the last years have been doing that. Not my fault if you haven't been paying attention.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

its hyperbole

the type of twaddle that gets shouted through a loud hailer at rallies

That doesn't mean that it's false does it?...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is this directed at myself or DR?

Should it be myself I feel I do in the main go into chapter and verse about topics, I will research and find relevant material and then be mocked for that also.

I have yet to see any in depth analysis on any given subject in discussion from yourself as you prefer your perspective to be entirely subjective and based on your own personal circumstance or that of those in you social circle...which is all well and good except it isn't representative of the general public or based on any weighted stats is it?

It was directed at both of you.

Haha... the summing up of my character by someone who has only ever seen me write on a forum. Doesn't bother me... you ought to hear what I think of you.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Are under the illusion there is never hardship, suffering or homelessness under any other party in government?

Would you like to try your hand at a post relevant to what I actually said?

You claimed there was no suffering. Or no more than usual.

Anyone with eyes and ears knows that's bull.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

what, spend time proving white is white and black is black? Daily media coverage over the last years have been doing that. Not my fault if you haven't been paying attention.

If only everyone as a clever and caught on as you, eh? You must be a genius or something.

Or maybe people just have differing opinions.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That doesn't mean that it's false does it?...

Yes, it is designed to make people angry and excited and has little to do with fact

West Ham used to sing "hes fat, hes round, he fills up half the ground" to Gazza but it was inaccurate and had little basis in fact

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

what, spend time proving white is white and black is black? Daily media coverage over the last years have been doing that. Not my fault if you haven't been paying attention.

so i take it you cant actually back up your loud hailer claim?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

If only everyone as a clever and caught on as you, eh? You must be a genius or something.

Or maybe people just have differing opinions.

Provide some factual basis for your opinions then.

And fgs, stop these personal attacks because it shows desperation and is a bit embarrassing to read.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Provide some factual basis for your opinions then.

And fgs, stop these personal attacks because it shows desperation and is a bit embarrassing to read.

"Provide some factual basis for your opinions then."

"Tories brought public services to their knees"



so lets see you walk the walk then?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes, it is designed to make people angry and excited and has little to do with fact

West Ham used to sing "hes fat, hes round, he fills up half the ground" to Gazza but it was inaccurate and had little basis in fact

Have you toyed with the idea that it makes people angry because it is fact, or taken any steps to find out whether it's fact or not?

Your comparison to political statements and football chants isn't helpful.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Provide some factual basis for your opinions then."

"Tories brought public services to their knees"



so lets see you walk the walk then?

I would have a go at this if I didn't have to take me ma shopping.... I'll have a go later if you like

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Provide some factual basis for your opinions then.

And fgs, stop these personal attacks because it shows desperation and is a bit embarrassing to read.

Where's all the facts supporting your own opinions? Or is it just me who has to provide evidence?

And again.... what did we do here before you wafted in in January to show us all where we've been going wrong? Or maybe you're not new at all, who knows...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

then provide actual and specific evidence and not "left wing rally porn"

Right back at you. Provide actual and specific evidence and not baiting posts about the government doing well designed to mock people you don't like.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Right back at you. Provide actual and specific evidence and not baiting posts about the government doing well designed to mock people you don't like.

if you want to make a new thread about the Conservative governments record this term go ahead but the claim we are dealing with in this thread is that Public Services and by that statement it appears ALL are "on there knees"

perhaps you wish to try and evidence that in this thread?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Provide some factual basis for your opinions then."

"Tories brought public services to their knees"



so lets see you walk the walk then?

LOL

OK, LT, you may have not heard but there's a funding crisis in the NHS, police numbers have been cut, police stations in London have been closed, benefits and services have been cut, local authorities have seen their governments grants cut, there's been reduction in armed services numbers and funding

google is your friend if you want to find out more

btw, how was the holiday on Mars?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I would have a go at this if I didn't have to take me ma shopping.... I'll have a go later if you like

Well good luck as Public Services is quite a big area and "on their knees" would suggest are broken and not working ie not providing that service - like say a bin strike?