[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Scott

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johanna was one of my favs too

more so in catching fire than mockingjay she had more sass in cf

the bit where she wouldnt go out in the rain in mj was really really sad and even after everything the capitol did she still wanted to go

and yes gale was a prick he indirectly killed prim and didnt even apologize about it

idk if i want anymore books tbh everything was resolved nicely for me

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Yep Johanna was more fierce in cf Also when she was refused permission to go on the mission to the Capitol in the last book, in a way I was delighted as I was sure she'd survive.

And maybe in a year or two I'd like another book, not about the hunger games, but just what happens to Johanna next but yea I agree, the story did come to a great ending.

[Smithy]

claudia

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when prim died

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Smithy

claudia

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when prim died

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yep

I don't know how a writer can do that, and when Buttercup showed up, and they both mourned her, and then she rang her mom. It was devastating. Also I was pretty sad when Finnick died.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

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yep

I don't know how a writer can do that, and when Buttercup showed up, and they both mourned her, and then she rang her mom. It was devastating. Also I was pretty sad when Finnick died.

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I know it was so shocking, I wasn't really too upset about Finnick's death, it just happened so fast, same as everyone else in her party, I just felt bad for annie

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Smithy

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I know it was so shocking, I wasn't really too upset about Finnick's death, it just happened so fast, same as everyone else in her party, I just felt bad for annie

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Yea I didn't care about him too much until Annie, he was all she had.

But yea after Rue was murdered, I knew Suzanne Collins was heartless. So in a way I was expecting the likes of Katniss's mom & Prim to die, also I was sure someone would die out of Katniss, Peeta & Gale (so I was happily surprised that I was wrong)

[Shaun]

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After dwelling on it for a while now I think Mockingjay was really lazily written. The ending was far too rushed and convenient and I think took the book's message in completely the wrong direction. The first two books seemed to build up Katniss as a rebel figure and a revolutionary, and then to use her as a pawn and make Gale suddenly turn all evil was just really rushed and lazy. She went from being lifelong childhood friends (and perhaps lovers) with him to "OH I KILLED YOUR SISTER? NVM IT WAS WORTH IT".

I appreciate it ended dramatically and emotionally but what kind of message does that leave children reading it? Fight totalitarianism and then fail and have everyone die and your friends turn against you and even the resistance are bad and you'll have a mangy cat and some brainwashed baker to live in a bombed city for the rest of your life.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

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After dwelling on it for a while now I think Mockingjay was really lazily written. The ending was far too rushed and convenient and I think took the book's message in completely the wrong direction. The first two books seemed to build up Katniss as a rebel figure and a revolutionary, and then to use her as a pawn and make Gale suddenly turn all evil was just really rushed and lazy. She went from being lifelong childhood friends (and perhaps lovers) with him to "OH I KILLED YOUR SISTER? NVM IT WAS WORTH IT".

I appreciate it ended dramatically and emotionally but what kind of message does that leave children reading it? Fight totalitarianism and then fail and have everyone die and your friends turn against you and even the resistance are bad and you'll have a mangy cat and some brainwashed baker to live in a bombed city for the rest of your life.

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I disagree. It sends the message that war is brutal, it destroys lives and changes people.That's a truthful message rather than a glossy Hollywood one. It's not a childrens book so I don't see why she should have been sending children any message in it.

[Smithy]

Yeah, thats the message I got when I read it

[Shaun]

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You're confusing me for saying it's propaganda when it's pretty much common knowledge that all books should have a message. They're clearly politically motivated, so why shouldn't there be one? And I understand that war is brutal and everything but she had her lifelong friend (and implied romantic interest) turn against her so suddenly and it made no sense that he'd do it without a second thought.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Shaun

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You're confusing me for saying it's propaganda when it's pretty much common knowledge that all books should have a message. They're clearly politically motivated, so why shouldn't there be one? And I understand that war is brutal and everything but she had her lifelong friend (and implied romantic interest) turn against her so suddenly and it made no sense that he'd do it without a second thought.

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Maybe the incident with Gale was her trying to highlight how war changes people.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

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You're confusing me for saying it's propaganda when it's pretty much common knowledge that all books should have a message. They're clearly politically motivated, so why shouldn't there be one? And I understand that war is brutal and everything but she had her lifelong friend (and implied romantic interest) turn against her so suddenly and it made no sense that he'd do it without a second thought.

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I never said that it shouldn't have a message, I said that the message shouldn't necessarily be one that's acceptable for kids, as it's not a kids book. I don't think Gale turned against her, he just changed due to the war and the things he had to do which I think is a pretty realistic idea.

[Black Dagger]

Just started Catching Fire

I expect to cry a tad at this one, no idea, but I know it's going to be worse than Hunger Games =(.

[Smithy]

It's not

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Smithy

It's not

Oh is it not? Oh that's good then... I don't think I could tolerate another.

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Rue

[Smithy]

yeah, thats the worse out of all 3 books imo

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Smithy

yeah, thats the worse out of all 3 books imo

He's wrong.

Mockingjay will crush you Lucas.

[Smithy]

I'm not

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

WELL ACTUALLY

i think catching fire was equally as upsetting as thg

LUCAS DNT READ AH/

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i didnt cry like i did with rue but mags death

[Smithy]

yeah that was the saddest one from cf but still

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It was only coz she was old

[Smithy]

yeah that was the saddest one from cf but still

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It was only coz she was old

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

no cuz

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the morphling addict who drew a flower on peetas face in her own blood as she dying

[Shaun]

AND ANOTHER THING

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I wanted to find out what happened to those two random gurls who trekked through the forest on their way to D13... like it's implied that they died but that seems a bit random.

[Shaun]

AND ANOTHER THING

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I wanted to find out what happened to those two random gurls who trekked through the forest on their way to D13... like it's implied that they died but that seems a bit random.

[Smithy]

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They obvs died, Im sure she mentions them again in MJ

[King Gizzard]

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trolley