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I guess i could look at that now but i will wait to read it in my paper in the morning with a cuppa
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I’ll be getting the paper tomorrow 😍
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I might wipe my arse with it.
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Are jokes acceptable now on this ridiculous time wasting story that bares absolutely no significance to anyone you or I know?
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Might not go to prison but the lawyers would have a field day with the left tover money on both sides.
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I wonder if the families will be bothered to sue given how rich they are.
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I wonder if the families will be bothered to sue given how rich they are.
Rich folk are more litigious than anyone else, they do it on principle, not for the money.
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There's definitely a case for criminal negligence. They would be in serious trouble if sued.
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There will surely be a corporate manslaughter case against the company and its board of directors
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who realistically is going to go to the company now and ask for a dive down to the titanic. It's finished as an entity and any money it has, which probably wont be much, will be ripe for the courts
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who realistically is going to go to the company now and ask for a dive down to the titanic. It's finished as an entity and any money it has, which probably wont be much, will be ripe for the courts

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Not sure Boris is really reading the room right by making out that these guys were heroic risk takers on a noble venture. Most people think it was a totally needless loss of life caused by a morbid fascination and that the submarine was a stupid rich man's toy
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Not sure Boris is really reading the room right by making out that these guys were heroic risk takers on a noble venture. Most people think it was a totally needless loss of life caused by a morbid fascination and that the submarine was a stupid rich man's toy


are you trying to say this was a foolish money-making exercise based on rich people's vanity and desire to bore people rigid with stories of how they went and looked at a shipwreck?
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It's a well written piece mind you:

The reason so few people have done it is because it takes such nerve; and it is precisely because the market is so small, and *undeveloped, and populated only by risk-hungry billionaires, that the machines are still a bit *experimental. Unless and until we master this form of navigation, humanity will continue to live in ignorance.

Look at our globe, this beautiful ball criss-crossed every day by the contrails of planes, where virtually every inch of land has been explored from pole to pole. It is 70 per cent blue, covered by seas and oceans sometimes more than twice as deep as the resting-place of the Titanic.

It is a staggering fact that of the world beneath the oceans, only around a fifth has been mapped. We are more ignorant of the subaquatic landscape of the Earth than we are of the surface of Mars.

Some say that this undersea world is full of riches; like those rare metals we so urgently need for electric vehicle batteries, *abundant nodules that could be harvested without damaging the marine environment. Others are not so sure. But how can we know if we don’t look? And why should the chance to look at this world be reserved to an infinitesimal few?

That is why this mission was so important, and should be valued by Left-wingers as well as *everyone else. Yes, there were risks, and warnings. But every great advance must inevitably involve *experiment, and equipment that can seem, in retrospect, *dangerously inadequate.

Look at the slide rules and graph paper with which the first *astronauts calculated their *position in space. Look at those first flying machines — weird *contraptions of leather and canvas and wood. They were lethal — and yet no one tried to regulate them. The whole idea was new.

Hamish Harding and his fellows were trying to take a new step for humanity, to popularise undersea travel, to democratise the ocean floor. They knew the dangers. In the immortal words of Captain Scott, just before he died from the Antarctic cold: ‘We took risks, we knew we took them; things have come out against us, and therefore we have no cause for complaint...’

Harding and his friends died in a cause — pushing out the frontiers of human knowledge and experience — that is typically British, and that fills me with pride.

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Not sure Boris is really reading the room right by making out that these guys were heroic risk takers on a noble venture. Most people think it was a totally needless loss of life caused by a morbid fascination and that the submarine was a stupid rich man's toy

That was how Sky News and a few experts described the victims last night.

They referred them to brave explorers or intrepid explorers..

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i think the idea of deep sea exploration is a good one, because we have so much to learn, but really, from a safety perspective that can be done with robots. If you take that sub as an example, they travel down in a manned craft, in cramped conditions, in the dark, and then look at the titanic on a computer screen with an image provide by the subs camera and lights. Exactly the same can be achieved from the comfort of your own home connecting up to a submersible robot. The whole business model seems to be based on the risk of death participating in it when its a completely needless element
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i think the idea of deep sea exploration is a good one, because we have so much to learn, but really, from a safety perspective that can be done with robots. If you take that sub as an example, they travel down in a manned craft, in cramped conditions, in the dark, and then look at the titanic on a computer screen with an image provide by the subs camera and lights. Exactly the same can be achieved from the comfort of your own home connecting up to a submersible robot. The whole business model seems to be based on the risk of death participating in it when its a completely needless element

What do they learn from circulating the titanic wreck time after time ??

It’s completely desolate down there


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What do they learn from circulating the titanic wreck time after time ??

It’s completely desolate down there


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i think the idea of deep sea exploration is a good one, because we have so much to learn, but really, from a safety perspective that can be done with robots. If you take that sub as an example, they travel down in a manned craft, in cramped conditions, in the dark, and then look at the titanic on a computer screen with an image provide by the subs camera and lights. Exactly the same can be achieved from the comfort of your own home connecting up to a submersible robot. The whole business model seems to be based on the risk of death participating in it when its a completely needless element
Yeah exactly, it seems like a really pointless risk when you're still only watching on a screen
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Yeah exactly, it seems like a really pointless risk when you're still only watching on a screen
Not only is there no need for human pilots because the drone tech is so good, but for one it works better (because they can be solid with no air pockets and so not as at risk from pressure) and for two with automation and AI going the way it is, it won't be long before they won't even need a drone controller... they'll be able to send down automated subs to map out the ocean floor and identify resource deposits etc. piloted by entirely by AI.

There's definitely a deep sea exploration boom coming but I don't think it'll involve people actually getting their toes wet, all of the human beings will be bunkered down in control rooms on surface ships. In fact probably not that long until they can be sat in an office 100 miles from the nearest coast, making discoveries at the bottom of the pacific ocean.
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that is totally ignoring the fact we can use robot technology without any risk to human life
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Should that apply to space exploration too
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Imo…we have seen fascinating footage of what remains of the Titanic…much was retrieved from the ship that was exhibited at The Natural History museum. Let the ship and all those who went down with it rest in peace…there is nothing more to be learnt or salvaged…just a morbid fascination..

That’s my opinion anyway.
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