[James]

Originally Posted by Tom

Thought it would be a good thread off the back of RATM/Joe stuff, although not related to them in any way but more just in general.

OK so whats the fuss about these two types? Why is one different from the other and why do people look down on manufactured acts giving those who write their own music the moral upper ground? And why do people get looked down on for listening to certain types of music?

At the end of the day, if it sounds good it sounds good and if it doesn't it doesn't, so whats the big deal with it all?

Because the success of manufactured acts is generally more based around image (i.e looks, fashion, being cool) than the actual sounds they make. The image/music balance is more weighted to music with non-manufactured acts.

[Patrick]

Because RATM arent music there talentless rock dicks screaming.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Because RATM arent music there talentless rock dicks screaming.

who write, produce all of their own music?

[Enid]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Because RATM arent music there talentless rock dicks screaming.

They have more talent than Joe.

[Vladimir]

Originally Posted by Enid

They have more talent than Joe.

[Enid]

I don't think there is a definitive line between what is manufactured and what is not. It's a tricky subject. Anyone that asks you "what is the definition of manufactured music" would need to think long and hard about the answer.

I listen to manufactured artists and music all the time. I don't particularly care that they are. I just have huge respect for those that put more effort and passion into it.

[lily.]

I like bands who've worked their way to where they are... can write their own material.. can play instruments.. have done their time in the small-club circuit and independant record labels.. I have a lot of respect for them.

I also like listening to music from some manufactured artists. Liking their music and respecting them as artists don't go hand in hand.

[Sophii3x]

Originally Posted by lili

I like bands who've worked their way to where they are... can write their own material.. can play instruments.. have done their time in the small-club circuit and independant record labels.. I have a lot of respect for them.

I also like listening to music from some manufactured artists. Liking their music and respecting them as artists don't go hand in hand.

This.

[Princess]

People forget that manufactured bands can also be very talented. Take That were a manufactured band,Kelly Clarkson came outta American Idol.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Princess

People forget that manufactured bands can also be very talented. Take That were a manufactured band,Kelly Clarkson came outta American Idol.

yeah but they only had manufactured beginnings, look at them now. and I think people as talented as TT and Kelly would have made it regardless, if they wanted it enough.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

yeah but they only had manufactured beginnings, look at them now. and I think people as talented as TT and Kelly would have made it regardless, if they wanted it enough.

What about Cheryl Cole? She is manufactured but has more control than people give her credit for always puts on a pretty good performance. Do her performance skills put her above other manufactured acts?

[Princess]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

yeah but they only had manufactured beginnings, look at them now. and I think people as talented as TT and Kelly would have made it regardless, if they wanted it enough.

Yeah but if they had never been manufactured,TT wouldn't even know each other,or Robbie for that matter.

[Enid]

Cheryl Cole does not have any REAL control. She is simply the "middle man". She is told what to wear and what to say. She may come across as an independent and powerful woman but that is her IMAGE.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Enid

Cheryl Cole does not have any REAL control. She is simply the "middle man". She is told what to wear and what to say. She may come across as an independent and powerful woman but that is her IMAGE.

Unlike people like Britney Spears who are pretty similar (manufactured, good performers but ultimately crap singers) Cheryl has had quite a lot of input into most of her songs. Plus she has roots in ballroom so she knows how to perform. Its not just a case of being told to do that, she puts herself there.

[Marc]

Oh great another thread where people will argue about music. Just what we need. Lets all mourn Brittany.

[lily.]

Go to the Brittany thread then.. we can pass the time guessing who's next while we mourn.

[MrGaryy]

i actually rofled at the mention of Cheryl Cole's 'control'.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

i actually rofled at the mention of Cheryl Cole's 'control'.

She has more than you realise

And I could laugh at you for thinking Lady Gaga isn't manufactured

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Tom

She has more than you realise

And I could laugh at you for thinking Lady Gaga isn't manufactured

no honey I can assure you, she does not. and I could laugh at the fact you know **** all about Lady GaGa or her back story.

[Tom]

Lady Gaga is just a gimmick. Remove all of her gimmicks, sorry quirkiness, and what are you left with? Europop. She might write her own stuff but she has a powerful team behind her.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Tom

Lady Gaga is just a gimmick. Remove all of her gimmicks, sorry quirkiness, and what are you left with? Europop. She might write her own stuff but she has a powerful team behind her.

and what the **** does what her music sounds like and her PR team have to do with the fact that she isn't even slightly manufactured. SHe got to the top through hardwork. I'm not calling her revolutionary or even slightly original but the fact is, she's a creation of her own imagination and determination.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

and what the **** does what her music sounds like and her PR team have to do with the fact that she isn't even slightly manufactured. SHe got to the top through hardwork. I'm not calling her revolutionary or even slightly original but the fact is, she's a creation of her own imagination and determination.

Her success is more to do with her PR team than her though, I mean she isn't remotely special and her 'uniqueness' is a gimmick there to make her stand out. If the Lady Gaga we know today was genuinely the same one as a year ago (ie not pushed by a PR team and all on her own merit) then why didn't she jump into her 'quirkiness' from day 1, and why have we been gradually introduced and told how quirky she is?

Look back at her Just Dance video, she seems practically normal.

[Enid]

Originally Posted by Tom

Her success is more to do with her PR team than her though, I mean she isn't remotely special and her 'uniqueness' is a gimmick there to make her stand out. If the Lady Gaga we know today was genuinely the same one as a year ago (ie not pushed by a PR team and all on her own merit) then why didn't she jump into her 'quirkiness' from day 1, and why have we been gradually introduced and told how quirky she is?

Look back at her Just Dance video, she seems practically normal.

I saw one video of her from a few years back I presume. She had dark hair and a tan and was wearing a plain dark dress and flip flops. It is clear she has not always been this quirky or unique, so it does make me wonder if this is just a gimmick.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

yes we did? there was no one like her in the mainstream. Her fashion was always out there her music had little quirks. It's called growing and maturing as an artist.

But it was just a bit different. Then it grew a bit more in Pokerface, then we were lead to believe she had a screw loose during Paparazzi and thats when her quirkiness really took off. Noone had really noticed until then. We've been given more and more as each video progresses until the last couple of months where shes emerged as a fully blown freak. It has been manufactured because it has been eased into us.

Originally Posted by Enid

I saw one video of her from a few years back I presume. She had dark hair and a tan and was wearing a plain dark dress and flip flops. It is clear she has not always been this quirky or unique, so it does make me wonder if this is just a gimmick.

Theres no wondering about it, it IS a gimmick. Just look at her silly tea cup for that

[Princess]

I thought GaGa Lady was rubbish live,us lot were all just booing her. But I'm bias so whatever.