[Beastie]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Although I agree with some of what you say - I think you make somewhat of a sweeping statement! Yes a lot of difficult children do come from difficult families and haven't been give the right guidance - but there are a lot of children with behaviour problems that come from perfectly good families. Some children are just difficult - strong, confrontational personalities etc - and I don't think it helps when people attempt to fit difficult children, and their families into such neat little boxes and attaching certain labels!

There needs to be more discipline. A lot of parents are lazier now. There needs to be more strict parenting.. children get away with a lot these days..

[Beastie]

You need to be strict as a parent when the child is at an early age!! so then the child.. how long it takes get what the difference is between right and wrong in their heads and as they get older they will know what behaviour is acceptable and what isn't.

I do think Youth Clubs and that should maybe be brought back? or not.. I mean yeah there is not much to do for children aged 11-16.. but there is.. you get outside and throw a frizbee all day..... lol

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thebeast

You need to be strict as a parent when the child is at an early age!! so then the child.. how long it takes get what the difference is between right and wrong in their heads and as they get older they will know what behaviour is acceptable and what isn't.

I do think Youth Clubs and that should maybe be brought back? or not.. I mean yeah there is not much to do for children aged 11-16.. but there is.. you get outside and throw a frizbee all day..... lol

Yeah I don't get that whole there's nothing for 11-16 year olds to do bit at all, there even less for us to do when we were kids!

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Yeah I don't get that whole there's nothing for 11-16 year olds to do bit at all, there even less for us to do when we were kids!

Yeah I suppose.. really at them ages.. just hanged at friends house.. went to the park or whatever.. did things as what I did as a kid.. however back then I was very naive and still like a kid.. but a lot of children grow up way too fast! There is no need.. I think they should do the kiddy stuff for as long as they can.

Well you do kiddy things all your life.. but yeah children get influenced by the bad stuff even more now.. like drinking from an early age.. smoking.. having sex!! etc!!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by thebeast

Yeah I suppose.. really at them ages.. just hanged at friends house.. went to the park or whatever.. did things as what I did as a kid.. however back then I was very naive and still like a kid.. but a lot of children grow up way too fast! There is no need.. I think they should do the kiddy stuff for as long as they can.

Well you do kiddy things all your life.. but yeah children get influenced by the bad stuff even more now.. like drinking from an early age.. smoking.. having sex!! etc!!

There was quite alot of stuff going on when I was growing up really, had like 3 Youth clubs kicking about, was always in the park and stuff. Not smoking or drinking lol playing footy n that xD Used to be out for ours. Kids can't entertain themselves these days.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by InOne

There was quite alot of stuff going on when I was growing up really, had like 3 Youth clubs kicking about, was always in the park and stuff. Not smoking or drinking lol playing footy n that xD Used to be out for ours. Kids can't entertain themselves these days.

Lol nope they can't.. well they entertain themselves by bunking off school and drinking cider on the street corner.. lol

[Niamh.]

Obviously he shouldn't have done it but by the sounds of it, it seems like a case of temporary insanity if ever I heard one. Teachers shouldn't have to deal with kids who are out of control and unruly, he's there to teach, I doubt this is what he signed up for when he took a teaching job.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Obviously he shouldn't have done it but by the sounds of it, it seems like a case of temporary insanity if ever I heard one. Teachers shouldn't have to deal with kids who are out of control and unruly, he's there to teach, I doubt this is what he signed up for when he took a teaching job.

Yeah true.. I feel sorry for teachers.. maybe there should be an allocated bouncer for each classroom? lol

[Tom4784]

The support for him sickens me really, for the older members how about if it was your child that got his head beaten in? You wouldn't be defending him then. If he could have been pushed to such a point by school children then he should never have set foot in a classroom alltogether or removed himself from the situation to calm down. At the end of the day it's a 14 YEAR OLD lad by saying he started it or had it coming you're condoning the fact he nearly got beaten to death whether you want to or not.

Chewy's got a good point, if it was the opposite way round then the student would be crucified by the press and hated because in today's world the media demonises youth, it's shocking and interesting if you ever get the chance to look into it but ultimately it's sad and terrifying how much the youth of today are hated due to media pressure. I remember looking into it when I was researching something called the Magic Bullet Theory when I did Media, fascinating stuff although it's depressing how much hate comes from it, some of the responses towards children are shocking because of it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The support for him sickens me really, for the older members how about if it was your child that got his head beaten in? You wouldn't be defending him then. If he could have been pushed to such a point by school children then he should never have set foot in a classroom alltogether or removed himself from the situation to calm down. At the end of the day it's a 14 YEAR OLD lad by saying he started it or had it coming you're condoning the fact he nearly got beaten to death whether you want to or not.

Chewy's got a good point, if it was the opposite way round then the student would be crucified by the press and hated because in today's world the media demonises youth, it's shocking and interesting if you ever get the chance to look into it but ultimately it's sad and terrifying how much the youth of today are hated due to media pressure. I remember looking into it when I was researching something called the Magic Bullet Theory when I did Media, fascinating stuff although it's depressing how much hate comes from it, some of the responses towards children are shocking because of it.

This Gang Set Him Up
they wanted him to go Crazy.

They were Evil Kids.


Get Real Dezzy.

[Lucy.]

Originally Posted by arista

This Gang Set Him Up
they wanted him to go Crazy.

They were Evil Kids.


Get Real Dezzy.

Personally i think they sound exactly like the boys who torchered Jamie Bulger.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by SweetasCandee

Personally i think they sound exactly like the boys who torchered Jamie Bulger.

Calling them Psychopathic Sadists might be going a tad far, but who knows...

[Lucy.]

Originally Posted by InOne

Calling them Psychopathic Sadists might be going a tad far, but who knows...

Perhaps, but then again you could say the same about the boys who killed Jamie. They had a bad upbringing too so maybe it's all along the same lines.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by SweetasCandee

Personally i think they sound exactly like the boys who torchered Jamie Bulger.

You're kidding right?

Anyway, like I said, regardless of why he snapped, he snapped, and almost killed a person, I mean really, why are you guys sticking up for him?

[Lucy.]

Originally Posted by Chewy

You're kidding right?

Anyway, like I said, regardless of why he snapped, he snapped, and almost killed a person, I mean really, why are you guys sticking up for him?

I'm not sticking up for him. He was a ****head he should be punished but so should the boys who made it their 'fun' to torture him.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Chewy

You're kidding right?

Anyway, like I said, regardless of why he snapped, he snapped, and almost killed a person, I mean really, why are you guys sticking up for him?

I wasn't really sticking up for him as such but I could see how a temporary insanity claim might be valid in this case

[setanta]

I'm actually surprised that it doesn't happen more often, what with the disintegration of the family unit and culture in general, plus I would imagine that teachers don't have the kinda support structure in place to cope with the kind of emotional damage this kinda behaviour can have on them. Now don't get me wrong; I'm not condoning this man's reaction - it's entirely unjustifiable- but I can only imagine the kind of mental torment that would happen as a result of this continued unruly and destructive behaviour.

[InOne]

Kids also lie alot about teachers as well, sexual advances, threats of violence and violence.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by InOne

Kids also lie alot about teachers as well, sexual advances, threats of violence and violence.

Is that what you did Joe when the hot blonde 30 something female teacher turned you down? lol

[InOne]

Originally Posted by thebeast

Is that what you did Joe when the hot blonde 30 something female teacher turned you down? lol

Who said she turned me down?

[Beastie]

Who wants a bit of Sexual Education?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by thebeast

Who wants a bit of Sexual Education?

Yes please but could you wear those glossy black holdups as well.

[Billy]

Times like this I wish the chokey was real.
The brat deserved it.

[Mrluvaluva]

There's a lot of info in the original thread I posted on the first page. The teacher had only returned to work, weeks before this happened, after suffering a stroke brought on by stress.

[Shasown]

Extreme stress can make people react in very different ways, some commit suicide, others work against it and cope becoming stronger, others still lash out at what they perceive the protagonists of the stress, in this case the youth who he blamed as the ringleader of the bullies.

I just feel lucky I have never been in that sort of situation nor felt the need to react to that sort of provocation. Who knows how anyone would react. Needless to say there will be the usual calls for a full inquiry into the school and local education authority, stress managements programs for teachers etc. But once again nothing will be done about the poor little children.