[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thebeast

You need to be strict as a parent when the child is at an early age!! so then the child.. how long it takes get what the difference is between right and wrong in their heads and as they get older they will know what behaviour is acceptable and what isn't.

I do think Youth Clubs and that should maybe be brought back? or not.. I mean yeah there is not much to do for children aged 11-16.. but there is.. you get outside and throw a frizbee all day..... lol

Yeah I don't get that whole there's nothing for 11-16 year olds to do bit at all, there even less for us to do when we were kids!

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Obviously he shouldn't have done it but by the sounds of it, it seems like a case of temporary insanity if ever I heard one. Teachers shouldn't have to deal with kids who are out of control and unruly, he's there to teach, I doubt this is what he signed up for when he took a teaching job.

Yeah true.. I feel sorry for teachers.. maybe there should be an allocated bouncer for each classroom? lol

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Yeah I don't get that whole there's nothing for 11-16 year olds to do bit at all, there even less for us to do when we were kids!

Yeah I suppose.. really at them ages.. just hanged at friends house.. went to the park or whatever.. did things as what I did as a kid.. however back then I was very naive and still like a kid.. but a lot of children grow up way too fast! There is no need.. I think they should do the kiddy stuff for as long as they can.

Well you do kiddy things all your life.. but yeah children get influenced by the bad stuff even more now.. like drinking from an early age.. smoking.. having sex!! etc!!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by thebeast

Yeah I suppose.. really at them ages.. just hanged at friends house.. went to the park or whatever.. did things as what I did as a kid.. however back then I was very naive and still like a kid.. but a lot of children grow up way too fast! There is no need.. I think they should do the kiddy stuff for as long as they can.

Well you do kiddy things all your life.. but yeah children get influenced by the bad stuff even more now.. like drinking from an early age.. smoking.. having sex!! etc!!

There was quite alot of stuff going on when I was growing up really, had like 3 Youth clubs kicking about, was always in the park and stuff. Not smoking or drinking lol playing footy n that xD Used to be out for ours. Kids can't entertain themselves these days.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by InOne

There was quite alot of stuff going on when I was growing up really, had like 3 Youth clubs kicking about, was always in the park and stuff. Not smoking or drinking lol playing footy n that xD Used to be out for ours. Kids can't entertain themselves these days.

Lol nope they can't.. well they entertain themselves by bunking off school and drinking cider on the street corner.. lol

[setanta]

I'm actually surprised that it doesn't happen more often, what with the disintegration of the family unit and culture in general, plus I would imagine that teachers don't have the kinda support structure in place to cope with the kind of emotional damage this kinda behaviour can have on them. Now don't get me wrong; I'm not condoning this man's reaction - it's entirely unjustifiable- but I can only imagine the kind of mental torment that would happen as a result of this continued unruly and destructive behaviour.

[InOne]

Kids also lie alot about teachers as well, sexual advances, threats of violence and violence.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by InOne

Kids also lie alot about teachers as well, sexual advances, threats of violence and violence.

Is that what you did Joe when the hot blonde 30 something female teacher turned you down? lol

[Beastie]

Who wants a bit of Sexual Education?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by thebeast

Is that what you did Joe when the hot blonde 30 something female teacher turned you down? lol

Who said she turned me down?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The support for him sickens me really, for the older members how about if it was your child that got his head beaten in? You wouldn't be defending him then. If he could have been pushed to such a point by school children then he should never have set foot in a classroom alltogether or removed himself from the situation to calm down. At the end of the day it's a 14 YEAR OLD lad by saying he started it or had it coming you're condoning the fact he nearly got beaten to death whether you want to or not.

Chewy's got a good point, if it was the opposite way round then the student would be crucified by the press and hated because in today's world the media demonises youth, it's shocking and interesting if you ever get the chance to look into it but ultimately it's sad and terrifying how much the youth of today are hated due to media pressure. I remember looking into it when I was researching something called the Magic Bullet Theory when I did Media, fascinating stuff although it's depressing how much hate comes from it, some of the responses towards children are shocking because of it.

This Gang Set Him Up
they wanted him to go Crazy.

They were Evil Kids.


Get Real Dezzy.

[Billy]

Times like this I wish the chokey was real.
The brat deserved it.

[Lucy.]

Originally Posted by arista

This Gang Set Him Up
they wanted him to go Crazy.

They were Evil Kids.


Get Real Dezzy.

Personally i think they sound exactly like the boys who torchered Jamie Bulger.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by SweetasCandee

Personally i think they sound exactly like the boys who torchered Jamie Bulger.

Calling them Psychopathic Sadists might be going a tad far, but who knows...

[Lucy.]

Originally Posted by InOne

Calling them Psychopathic Sadists might be going a tad far, but who knows...

Perhaps, but then again you could say the same about the boys who killed Jamie. They had a bad upbringing too so maybe it's all along the same lines.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by SweetasCandee

Perhaps, but then again you could say the same about the boys who killed Jamie. They had a bad upbringing too so maybe it's all along the same lines.

Sometimes upbringing does not have anything to do with it. People are just like that anyway.

[Lucy.]

Originally Posted by InOne

Sometimes upbringing does not have anything to do with it. People are just like that anyway.

Born barmy.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by SweetasCandee

Born barmy.

One way of putting it I guess, but legally Psychopaths are not classed as insane.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by SweetasCandee

Personally i think they sound exactly like the boys who torchered Jamie Bulger.

You're kidding right?

Anyway, like I said, regardless of why he snapped, he snapped, and almost killed a person, I mean really, why are you guys sticking up for him?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by InOne

Sometimes upbringing does not have anything to do with it. People are just like that anyway.

I think it's a combination of both. Sometimes kids aren't raised in the best way they can be, as the parents don't care, but there must be something wrong with them in the first place to carry out acts like James Bulgers killers for instance. Normal kids just don't do things like that. Most know he difference between right and wrong and could not even imagine such things.

[Lucy.]

Originally Posted by Chewy

You're kidding right?

Anyway, like I said, regardless of why he snapped, he snapped, and almost killed a person, I mean really, why are you guys sticking up for him?

I'm not sticking up for him. He was a ****head he should be punished but so should the boys who made it their 'fun' to torture him.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

I think it's a combination of both. Sometimes kids aren't raised in the best way they can be, as the parents don't care, but there must be something wrong with them in the first place to carry out acts like James Bulgers killers for instance. Normal kids just don't do things like that. Most know he difference between right and wrong and could not even imagine such things.

It is a combination of both with extreme cases i'd say. But there is always something different in there from the very start. It's more than just a personality disorder. I guess the upbringing most likely determines if they will turn out violent or not.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Chewy

You're kidding right?

Anyway, like I said, regardless of why he snapped, he snapped, and almost killed a person, I mean really, why are you guys sticking up for him?

I wasn't really sticking up for him as such but I could see how a temporary insanity claim might be valid in this case

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by SweetasCandee

I'm not sticking up for him. He was a ****head he should be punished but so should the boys who made it their 'fun' to torture him.

Well good, and yeah, the boys do deserve punishment, though I think the boy who was nearly killed has had enough punishment

[Billy]

Originally Posted by Chewy

The "he snapped" excuse is just silly, he tried to kill a student.

Lets put it this way, if a kid is bullied for years and finally decides to take a gun into school and shoot it up because he snapped...is that acceptable? Obviously thats a far cry for this case, but the basic principle remains

Maybe not, but if a kid was bullied for years and say one day in P.E he received loads of abuse from someone, if he picked up a hockey stick and started bashing the bully with it, I wouldn't blame them.