[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by yousoboo!

millions of people cheat and lie in the workplace everyday. doesn't mean they are evil people. get real ffs.

Maybe - but now they face criminal prosecution for doing so - like it or not!

Personally - I would rather know and be able to trust that someone doing certain jobs, probably most jobs, are qualified to do that job properly - as failure to do so could have serious ramifications for others.

[watchinittoomuch]

When she gets a job as a brain surgeon, I'll start to worry.

Until then, I dont think anyone need panic

[fizzy]

Originally Posted by yousoboo!

millions of people cheat and lie in the workplace everyday. doesn't mean they are evil people. get real ffs.

I agree with this

[mummymaz]

Originally Posted by poejoe

people work hard for qualifications so don't think its fair people getting jobs and uni places through lying. and if your clever enough to get a 1st why didn't you just sit your maths gcse

well i did, i was a mature student anyways - they dont check when you are over 21 .. i couldnt be bothered is the simple answer - i got my degree, got a decent job, have a good life... no need for algebra etc in my life .. i did get 11 other GCSE's and 4 A-Levels btw

[mummymaz]

Originally Posted by angus58

Actually it is now deemed an offence to lie about your qualifications to an employer.It can mean instant dismissal, which probably explains why she can't hold down a job on the outside. It wouldn't take long for an employer to realise that she is in fact as thick as sh*t.

Maybe Unis aren't that fussed considering the dumbing down of the degrees these days. The GCSEs and A Levels are also of a laughable standard compared to 30 odd years ago.

I sense you are trying to be dismissive of my degree and University choice, i would correct you but really its not worth my time.

[Shiner]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Maybe - but now they face criminal prosecution for doing so - like it or not!

Personally - I would rather know and be able to trust that someone doing certain jobs, probably most jobs, are qualified to do that job properly - as failure to do so could have serious ramifications for others.

There's an old business management idiom that goes along the lines of... most people are not sufficiently qualified for the position they currently hold, otherwise they would get promoted out of it.
Is it any wonder this country is going to the dogs? ......

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

lmao, no body here has ever lied on their CV???

Of course they have, but it is now an offence to do so, and can even result in a prison sentence if the ramifications of the lie cause harm, such as in cases where people have lied about their medical qualifications and then gone on to perform surgery and give diagnoses and treatment they are not qualified to do. Extreme cases I know, but it is also a form of fraud in that an employer is being deceived into paying a salary to someone who is not fit for purpose. Not only does it carry a sanction of instant dismissal with no recourse to tribunal, but it is also prosecutable in law if the company's reputation or finances have been damaged by hiring a person under false pretences. Not to mention the fact that the liar has cheated a competent candidate out of a job.

[pixee]

Am I missing something why would you need/think you need qualifications to go on BB?

[Angus]

Originally Posted by mummymaz

I sense you are trying to be dismissive of my degree and University choice, i would correct you but really its not worth my time.

Actually I was not attacking you personally at all and I'm sorry if it came across that way.

It's the education system in this country that is at fault, since I believe it is not fit for purpose and ill equips a lot of youngsters for working life. As a mother I have been appalled at the low expectations of schools, and the standards of the GCSE and A level exams (which I took myself many moons ago), HAS dropped considerably which really does not ultimately help kids at all. By dumbing down qualifications, all that is happening is that they are gradually being made meaningless.

[JEJ]

Originally Posted by pixee

Am I missing something why would you need/think you need qualifications to go on BB?

If you were dumb enough not to have any?

[Julie10]

Originally Posted by mummymaz

I lied on mine, said i had my maths gcse - got into Uni and got a 1st .. hardly the crime of the century is it?!

It is a lie and in some cases a sackable offence!

[JEJ]

I wouldn't normally defend Josie but I don't see much harm coming from faking a few GCSEs, it's not like she's practising medicine fraudulently.

Aside from entry to higher education when they are obviously a good indicator of a person's ability to apply themselves to study, providing the person is numerate and literate, (which would soon become obvious if they weren't) I can't really see any benefits to a potential employer.

I certainly fibbed about the grades obtained in my O levels/CSEs (for the younger members, GCSEs for old people!) but to be honest, after my first job, nobody even asked.

[Julie10]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well I hate to rain on your parade, but she needs to pass a Criminal Records Bureau check to look after vulnerable old people which she would fail because of her past indiscretions (cough), and I guarantee someone as lazy and slothful as her would not be allowed anywhere near them.

They'd probably find her under the duvet every five minutes.

[JEJ]

Originally Posted by Julie10

They'd probably find her under the duvet every five minutes.

Lol!

[pixee]

Originally Posted by JEJ

If you were dumb enough not to have any?

haha fair point.

All i will say on this about people saying "oh everyone does it"

I wouldn't do it for fear of being caught out. I can understand if you don't think you have a good CV you would want to make stuff up though it is only human nature, insecurity or what ever.

[Talulabelle]

Originally Posted by angus58

Of course they have, but it is now an offence to do so, and can even result in a prison sentence if the ramifications of the lie cause harm, such as in cases where people have lied about their medical qualifications and then gone on to perform surgery and give diagnoses and treatment they are not qualified to do. ........

Actually, thats not quite accurate. The woman I mentioned only applied for an admin job and lied about having A levels (two of them) - she was jailed for 6 months, so causing harm is not required to justify a custodial sentence.

Apologies for my earlier post though as she had been in trouble once before but not for this particular crime.

[Stacey.]

I don't like her or anything, but I can't see it really matters.

[Talulabelle]

Originally Posted by pixee

Am I missing something why would you need/think you need qualifications to go on BB?

Yes, you're missing something. If you read the beginning of the thread you'll see it was about josie making a comment about making up qualifications she didnt have (not to get on bb tho). It has now generated a mass debate about lying on cv's.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

My c.v says i have 3 b's which is a lie. I did very poor in school and i think its wrong to judge someone going for a potential job on exams they sat when they were a 15 year old child!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Stacey.x

I don't like her or anything, but I can't see it really matters.

It matters - would you like a nurse or doctor looking after you who wasn't properly qualified - or a mechanic fixing your families car who wasn't qualified to fix it properly, or a builder to build your house who wasn't suitably skilled, knowledgeable or qualified - etc - the list goes on!

It is important not only for safety reasons but to ensure people get the service they pay for!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

It matters - would you like a nurse or doctor looking after you who wasn't properly qualified - or a mechanic fixing your families car who wasn't qualified to fix it properly, or a builder to build your house who wasn't suitably skilled, knowledgeable or qualified - etc - the list goes on!

It is important not only for safety reasons but to ensure people get the service they pay for!

Dont be rediculous lol when you go for a job as a nurse or a mechanic etc you are provided with extensive training lol

You dont become a nurse or a a doctor from getting a's in your G.C.S.E'S lol

One of the most stupidest responses ive ever read on tibb

[Beastie]

My CV is truthful. Well.. I still don't have my level 2 ICT skills certificate.. I have been meaning to ring college about that but I am sure I have passed it. I have been in the same job though for like over a year.. I hope they give me full time then I am sorted..hopefully don't need to keep updating my CV!!

I did okay in GCSES.. I got my C's in Maths and Enlish Lang and a B in English Lit (well I did fail Maths first time round, retook it.. and got a C)

I got double D in Science.. wish I got double C.. it will cost me like hundreds of pounds to retake my science though.. I don't need it.. but would have been nice if I got double C in it!! ahh well

Ooo I also have Btec National Diploma worth 3 alevels!! I got a pass in that. It was either pass, merit or distinction. I got merit in a few units though!

I would have gone to university if I didn't have the job I have now.. but that would have been for the sake of it!!

If something happens.. like.. if I end up loosing the job I have now.. mm might go travelling or something!! lol but I am quite content in the job I have now


Anyway.. back to the point of the topic.. I think it is okay.. to tell a few porkies if you really want the job!! lol

[JEJ]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

It matters - would you like a nurse or doctor looking after you who wasn't properly qualified - or a mechanic fixing your families car who wasn't qualified to fix it properly, or a builder to build your house who wasn't suitably skilled, knowledgeable or qualified - etc - the list goes on!

It is important not only for safety reasons but to ensure people get the service they pay for!

Don't get me wrong, Wombai, I dislike her (almost ) as much as you do but GCSEs for a job in sales?

[Beastie]

I feel sorry for the girl who genuinely had gcses and a levels.. she applied for over 200 jobs.. got rejected.. she got so depressed she killed herself poor girl!!

I think in sales though.. if you are like 16 looking for a job then you have more chance in sales because the company pay a 16 year old less than an 18 year old?

but anyways times are tough and you just have to grab whatever job there is available.. even if it does seem.. "beneath you".

[smudgie]

Josie comes across as not that bright at times so I think she would be sussed out before long if she was in a job where any real qualifications were of any importance.
As to lying about it, I agree it should be a criminal offence, why shoud someone work hard to get to uni etc and get into debt once there if it was okay just to lie about it?