[Firewire]

By the way, it's Qur'an.

[Iceman]

Terror level increased.

The pastor makes a statement later on tonight, he's not gonna do it I bet.

[Omen]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Really? I don't see anyone being attacked or their rights being violated. It's same as saying something racist or homophobic (something that I understand the Muslim Council of Britain have down to an art form). It's horrible and a sign of stupidity and ignorance, but it's not a hate crime. Not by any stretch. If we are doing to allow muslims to stage protests with placards reading "Death to the UK/USA" and burning our flags (which I don't consider to be a crime either), we have to be prepared to afford other groups the same rights. It's called living in a democracy.

It's a crime to show disrespect to the US flag in the US.

[Wildcat!]

There is no way this is gonna go ahead!

Its inciting violence, and with the first amendment and all, you still cant instigate a riot. ANd thats what this would do to a certain extent!

No way, will they let it go on, since he made it so public. If he just decided to do it, without all the hoopla around it, it would be fine!

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well, I think those who knowingly instigate violence should be held partly responsible as well. Yes, everyone has a right to free speech, but when it is being blatantly abused then something has to be done, some things are more important.

Besides, is it really free speech to burn what is considered a holy book? It's an act of hate, prejudice and intolerance that could have severe repercussions, and it would be to the benefit of everyone if it was not allowed to go ahead

Far from it. Everybody loses out when you start to censor people. The book burners will be made out to be martyr figures by their sympathisers. It also begs the question, where do you draw the line when it comes to offending people's religious sensitivities? Banning something considered by certain religious circles to be 'blasphemous' for instance?

This wouldn't help anybody. You are talking about curtailing people's civil liberties in the name of national security. That is about as illiberal as you can get.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Omen

It's a crime to show disrespect to the US flag in the US.

Ah yes, the Patriot Act passed into law by that blameless paragon of liberty and fairness, the Bush Administration. I hope, for the Americans' sake, the Senate are doing their level best to get that repealed.

[Omen]

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by MTVN

But there's a difference between airing your views and performing an act which is deliberately provocative, and intended to spur up racial violence.

This is nothing to do with race. Religion is a conscious choice.

That said, this is ridiculous. I have a Mormon bible in my room. Might burn it.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Far from it. Everybody loses out when you start to censor people. The book burners will be made out to be martyr figures by their sympathisers. It also begs the question, where do you draw the line when it comes to offending people's religious sensitivities? Banning something considered by certain religious circles to be 'blasphemous' for instance?

This wouldn't help anybody. You are talking about curtailing people's civil liberties in the name of national security. That is about as illiberal as you can get.

Undoubtedly, the line between free speech and abuse of it is a thin one yet it is right that it should exist.

The intention of allowing free speech is not for it to become a tool used to condone racism, by banning this book burning you are not taking away a civil liberty; you are preventing the abuse of it.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Shaun

This is nothing to do with race. Religion is a conscious choice.

That said, this is ridiculous. I have a Mormon bible in my room. Might burn it.

Well whatever, it would still stir up violence and prejudice

[30stone]

After them burning the american flag, not surprised its going ahead.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well whatever, it would still stir up violence and prejudice

Well you can't be prejudiced against a conscientious choice - that's just being judgmental. There's room for debate, it's a philosophical clash (though I don't doubt there ARE some attending this who probably think all Arabs or Persians (if they can differentiate between the two) are Muslim)

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Well you can't be prejudiced against a conscientious choice - that's just being judgmental. There's room for debate, it's a philosophical clash (though I don't doubt there ARE some attending this who probably think all Arabs or Persians (if they can differentiate between the two) are Muslim)

Well prejudice is defined as:
"an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason"

or

"unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, esp. of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group"

So I think it's appropiate to describe this as prejudice.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Undoubtedly, the line between free speech and abuse of it is a thin one yet it is right that it should exist.

The intention of allowing free speech is not for it to become a tool used to condone racism, by banning this book burning you are not taking away a civil liberty; you are preventing the abuse of it.

There is no such thing as abusing your right to freedom of expression. It might be for a noble cause or it could be for something malicious and racist like the one we're discussing now.

I see no reason why burning a copy of the Quran, purchaed with your own money, can be considered any more unlawful than some whacko preacher standing in the middle of high street talking about how everybody who doesn't follow Jesus will burn in Hell. If you don't like what they're saying, ignore them. It's not like what they say is going to affect you.

[King Gizzard]

It's officially been called off, but expect people to do it anyway now they've got the idea in their heads. The damage is done.

Well done whoever started it, you've got even more people to sign up for Al Whateveritis now probably :\

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nate

It's officially been called off, but expect people to do it anyway now they've got the idea in their heads. The damage is done.

Well done whoever started it, you've got even more people to sign up for Al Whateveritis now probably :\

No
Thats when he was told about NYC,

But that is wrong info.


So as yet he is still using the threat
of Sundays Event.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Im fed up of hearing about this dickhead! This backwater hick and his all of 50 followers have had too much attention, I wish people would pack up giving him the time of day! Hes a moron and most people think hes a moron, can we not just ignore the twat now...to be honest Im more pissed off with the press for giving the idiot airtime!

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

There is no such thing as abusing your right to freedom of expression. It might be for a noble cause or it could be for something malicious and racist like the one we're discussing now.

I see no reason why burning a copy of the Quran, purchaed with your own money, can be considered any more unlawful than some whacko preacher standing in the middle of high street talking about how everybody who doesn't follow Jesus will burn in Hell. If you don't like what they're saying, ignore them. It's not like what they say is going to affect you.

You can abuse it, particuarly considering that was never its intention. Freedom of speech was not granted so that people could freely and provocatively air their prejudices and allow racism a platform.

If you want to sit at home and burn a Quran, then do so, but do not widely publicise the activity and do not publicly encourage it because then you are only stirring up hatred and violence, and that is where you have to draw a line.

[Lucy.]

I'm glad it's been called off, it's the most stupid idea I've ever heard, punishing Muslim's for the actions of one specific group is highly immature and unjust. He'd just be causing more trouble by doing it anyway, expect many more attacks on America, probably worse than before because of this even if it hasn't happened, the fight has been initiated!

[SoBig]

Newest Update=== http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100910/.../quran_burning

[arista]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Im fed up of hearing about this dickhead! This backwater hick and his all of 50 followers have had too much attention, I wish people would pack up giving him the time of day! Hes a moron and most people think hes a moron, can we not just ignore the twat now...to be honest Im more pissed off with the press for giving the idiot airtime!

The Bloated BBC news
have to
as they Copy all of SkyNews Live

[InOne]

It's kinda silly though, at these protests they burn American Flags as if all Americans are for the burning of the Quran, yet the very thing Muslims are trying to do is show they're all weren't responsible for 9/11

[arista]

Originally Posted by InOne

It's kinda silly though, at these protests they burn American Flags as if all Americans are for the burning of the Quran, yet the very thing Muslims are trying to do is show they're all weren't responsible for 9/11

Some have been Shot dead due to this
in a Afghan Protest of the Jones threat.


So he has blood on his hands.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Jonathan.

By the way, it's Qur'an.

Pedant!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Jonathan.

By the way, it's Qur'an.

By the way it should more correctly be referred to as al-qur’ān, it can be spelled as Qur’ān, Coran, Quran, Kuran, Koran, or al-Qur’ān. If you want to be correct. Depending on the country, it mean 'the recitation'