[Jords]

Great OP, think you hit the nail on the head with tonight's farce Vicky!

[Zippy]

Can I just say;

BOTH ACTS GOT THE LEAST VOTES FROM THE PUBLIC.

just reminding you while you get so carried away with conspiracy theories. They are both dispensable and unpopular clearly so does it really matter which goes first? The other will go soon enough.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Can I just say;

BOTH ACTS GOT THE LEAST VOTES FROM THE PUBLIC.

just reminding you while you get so carried away with conspiracy theories. They are both dispensable and unpopular clearly so does it really matter which goes first? The other will go soon enough.

I know that, neither would win, and whoever stays will likely be in the bottom next week anyways.

But why on earth change the voting order and make cheryl look a **** when she (quite rightly) refused to vote until the end, and wanted to take it to deadlock like any other judge with two acts in the bottom would. I at first was raging at cheryl, until I clicked on that it was unfair to expect her to go second, when it has never been done before in that situation...

[fruit_cake]

I thought it was a cock up that suited them in the end so they never said anything.. If it had been a cock up in TreyC's favour, they'd have asked Cheryl to take it too deadlock

[fruit_cake]

Cheryl never complained about not being allowed to take it to deadlock once Louis voted TreyC out..

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

Cheryl never complained about not being allowed to take it to deadlock once Louis voted TreyC out..

EUREKA!!

[Novo]

Brilliant thread

carry on

[joeysteele]

Well at least we know one of the bottom lot next week, Katie again, as the public will be furious at the result tonight ,is that 3 weeks out of 5 she has been in the lower positions now?

She didn't even perform well in the sing off, however and this is massively unfair to Treyc but Cheryl would never have sent Katie home unless she was up against Cher,so the result happened as predicted by most.

Treyc was one of the best on last night, Katie who rides along the bottom every week except one is still there, but the public will get her out soon.

The sad thing is if she was in the last 2 or whatever next week and had to sing off against the likes of Paije or Wagner then the judges would save her again.

Still all the rules can be changed for Cheryl it seems, although for once she couldn't say anything or have an opinion or say who should go, quite a feat to get Cheryl to a point where she doesn't say anything since she usually derides others for indecision.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well at least we know one of the bottom lot next week, Katie again, as the public will be furious at the result tonight ,is that 3 weeks out of 5 she has been in the lower positions now?

She didn't even perform well in the sing off, however and this is massively unfair to Treyc but Cheryl would never have sent Katie home unless she was up against Cher,so the result happened as predicted by most.

Treyc was one of the best on last night, Katie who rides along the bottom every week except one is still there, but the public will get her out soon.

The sad thing is if she was in the last 2 or whatever next week and had to sing off against the likes of Paije or Wagner then the judges would save her again.

Still all the rules can be changed for Cheryl it seems, although for once she couldn't say anything or have an opinion or say who should go, quite a feat to get Cheryl to a point where she doesn't say anything since she usually derides others for indecision.

yes its katies 3rd time in the bottom 2 out of 5 weeks.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

yes its katies 3rd time in the bottom 2 out of 5 weeks.

Wow, she is really popular with the public then. How that fact can be ignored is beyond me. Her sing off was awful too compared to Treyc but I knew Simon would in that scenario send Treyc home but was surprised at Louis doing so too.

I dare bet had Louis voted with Danni to send Katie home too,then with that 2-1 to send Katie out, Ms Cole would have yelled the place down to make sure it went to deadlock.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Wow, she is really popular with the public then. How that fact can be ignored is beyond me. Her sing off was awful too compared to Treyc but I knew Simon would in that scenario send Treyc home but was surprised at Louis doing so too.

I dare bet had Louis voted with Danni to send Katie home too,then with that 2-1 to send Katie out, Ms Cole would have yelled the place down to make sure it went to deadlock.

you could guarantee that

[Tom]

No matter how Cheryl voted she was always going to be criticised for it. there are a few scenarios:

If she voted second to send home...

Katie- people would be saying how she only voted Katie to counteract Simon's vote
Treyc- people would be saying how Katie is her favourite

If she voted last ...

sending it to deadlock (which would have been voting for Katie)- she'd be a crap judge because she can't choose

if she had the third vote to eliminate Treyc, she would have done that because she doesn't like Treyc

The only situation where Cheryl would have got some kind of kudos was if Katie went in a 3-1 vote with Cheryl casting the third vote. People pick at every small thing she does and qutie frankly its pathetic

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Tom

No matter how Cheryl voted she was always going to be criticised for it. there are a few scenarios:

If she voted second to send home...

Katie- people would be saying how she only voted Katie to counteract Simon's vote
Treyc- people would be saying how Katie is her favourite

If she voted last ...

sending it to deadlock (which would have been voting for Katie)- she'd be a crap judge because she can't choose

if she had the third vote to eliminate Treyc, she would have done that because she doesn't like Treyc

The only situation where Cheryl would have got some kind of kudos was if Katie went in a 3-1 vote with Cheryl casting the third vote. People pick at every small thing she does and qutie frankly its pathetic

This isnt about cheryl though.

Its about WHY they chose to go to her second and make her LOOK like an idiot for not voting, instead of going last like every other mentor who has had 2 acts in the bottom. The option to take it to deadlock, should have been there.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This isnt about cheryl though.

Its about WHY they chose to go to her second and make her LOOK like an idiot for not voting, instead of going last like every other mentor who has had 2 acts in the bottom. The option to take it to deadlock, should have been there.

Agree Vicky. Total JOKE!!

THE X FACTOR IS SO FAKE!!

I bet if they wanted Wagner safe they would get Simon to take it to deadlock.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This isnt about cheryl though.

Its about WHY they chose to go to her second and make her LOOK like an idiot for not voting, instead of going last like every other mentor who has had 2 acts in the bottom. The option to take it to deadlock, should have been there.

Probably to mix it up a little bit to save us from the obvious. There were a few other changes on tonights show as well- there was build up music when Katie & Treyc both entered the stage for the performances and there was a bit before the show with Dermot

I wouldn't read much into it, whenever a judge refuses to vote it depends on the other 2. Sharon refused to vote a few times and thats what happened

I guess we'll find out when the results are released at the end of the series if Katie was bottom

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This isnt about cheryl though.

Its about WHY they chose to go to her second and make her LOOK like an idiot for not voting, instead of going last like every other mentor who has had 2 acts in the bottom. The option to take it to deadlock, should have been there.

I agree with Vicky here, and we will only know the motives behind the change at the end of the series because:

if it turns out Treyc had the least vote, then all conspiracy theories dont really work,

if it turns out Katie had the least vote, then quite rightly the fix looks like a ploy to prevent going to deadlock and so save Katie, and also save Cheryl voting off Treyc which she would of been slaughtered for like after her judges house fiasco. This scenario would be hard to prove but insinuates that the judges are pre-warned of a deadlock outcome so as to leave the act the producers/show/Scowell want.

IMO all this has left a bad taste in the mouth and as someone has said in another thread, Big Brother tampered with the format and crashed and burned....X-factor should be careful as it's lost all credibility this series.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by StGeorge

I agree with Vicky here, and we will only know the motives behind the change at the end of the series because:

if it turns out Treyc had the least vote, then all conspiracy theories dont really work,

if it turns out Katie had the least vote, then quite rightly the fix looks like a ploy to prevent going to deadlock and so save Katie, and also save Cheryl voting off Treyc which she would of been slaughtered for like after her judges house fiasco. This scenario would be hard to prove but insinuates that the judges are pre-warned of a deadlock outcome so as to leave the act the producers/show/Scowell want.

IMO all this has left a bad taste in the mouth and as someone has said in another thread, Big Brother tampered with the format and crashed and burned....X-factor should be careful as it's lost all credibility this series.

It loses "all" credibility every series when things like that happen, first and foremost its an entertainment show and this kind of stuff keeps the show afloat

Katie & Treyc were never going to win, they're just making up numbers and at this stage Treyc is far easily disposed of because shes had very little impact this series

[Jack_]

I've just remembered - Sharon 'walked off' on the first Live Show of Series 4, due to her having two of her acts in the Bottom Two. She was asked first [I know Cheryl was asked second, but still, neither were asked last], she refused and thus lost her vote - so it went to a majority vote of the other three Judges.

This is what happened tonight. So it HAS happened before.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I've just remembered - Sharon 'walked off' on the first Live Show of Series 4, due to her having two of her acts in the Bottom Two. She was asked first [I know Cheryl was asked second, but still, neither were asked last], she refused and thus lost her vote - so it went to a majority vote of the other three Judges.

This is what happened tonight. So it HAS happened before.

When there was 3 judges though, it didnt matter what the voting order was, as however the other 2 voted...the one with 2 in the bottom would have HAD to chose between them

Unless they just totally refused to vote...

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

When there was 3 judges though, it didnt matter what the voting order was, as however the other 2 voted...the one with 2 in the bottom would have HAD to chose between them

Unless they just totally refused to vote...

Series 4 [my post] had four Judges? Sharon, Dannii, Louis, Simon.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Series 4 [my post] had four Judges? Sharon, Dannii, Louis, Simon.

They did that to piss Sharon off that is why!!!

They knew she would go off like a firework.

Good for ratings.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Series 4 [my post] had four Judges? Sharon, Dannii, Louis, Simon.

Oh did it

My bad

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

When there was 3 judges though, it didnt matter what the voting order was, as however the other 2 voted...the one with 2 in the bottom would have HAD to chose between them

Unless they just totally refused to vote...

The judges vote worked a lot better when there were 3 judges. If Cheryl goes to the American X Factor or if Dannii leaves/is sacked I don't think they should be replaced and the over 25s should be integrated into the 16-24 male/female categories

[Beastie]

Well I am happy Treyc went tonight!

I wanted Treyc, Mary or Wagner to go tonight.

Wagner does not entertain me as much as Jedward

I agree that the results was a fix though. Katie probably did get lowest amount of public votes so then the producer panicked and swapped how the judges vote when Cheryl should have come to last.

[Truth Teller]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

Cheryl never complained about not being allowed to take it to deadlock once Louis voted TreyC out..

Very true......

don't know if everyone is aware it has been mooted that katie had a record contract with Sony in the US before auditioning for the X factor......Simon is linked to Sony and therefore so is Louis.........

Just a thought.