[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Ok just had a look, and I'm personally not opposed to it

If you ask me there is no set way of honouring your dea; there is no law or rule that dictates how you are supposed to show respect. If this is they Gypsy custom to have a drink in memory of the departed then I'm not going to judge them for it and tell them what they are doing is wrong because in their eyes it certainly isnt

Having a drink in memory of their departed isn't the issue. What the issue is, is the fact that it's been done at the graveside, music blaring, carry outs lying around, other graves being trampled over, other's headstones being sat on and used as seats. That's the disrespectful part, not that they wish to honour their dead - it's the manner in which they are doing it.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Having a drink in memory of their departed isn't the issue. What the issue is, is the fact that it's been done at the graveside, music blaring, carry outs lying around, other graves being trampled over, other's headstones being sat on and used as seats. That's the disrespectful part, not that they wish to honour their dead - it's the manner in which they are doing it.

Well I suppose trying to make it into a less sombre occassion is all part of their way of honouring their dead.

But if there were some who trampled on others graves and sat on gravestones then as I said I wouldnt condone that. So just to clarfiy, it is not the custom itself that you didnt like, it was just the way it was carried out on this particular show?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well I suppose trying to make it into a less sombre occassion is all part of their way of honouring their dead.

But if there were some who trampled on others graves and sat on gravestones then as I said I wouldnt condone that. So just to clarfiy, it is not the custom itself that you didnt like, it was just the way it was carried out on this particular show?

To clarify -I have no issue with honouring the dead, I do have issue however in the manner in which they felt it appropriate to walk over other people's graves, music belting out, sitting on other people's departed loved ones headstones, slugging cans of lager/cider - that's what I didn't like. I don't give a rat's arse whether they be travellers, pygmies, goblin or any other section of society fact or fiction - the manner in which they are chosing to 'honour their dead', in a public cemetery, is completely disrespectful.

A graveyard is a place for quiet reflection, not for having loud celebrations and drinking parties. That's what function rooms, hotels, bars etc are for.

[GypsyGoth]

Well anyway I'm not religious like you guys, maybe I would get more upset about it if I believed in your god.

[Kerry]

I'm not religious. Just respectful

[Kerry]

I'd just like anyone who thinks it's fine to behave that way to sit and think for 5 minutes. You lose someone you love. Dearly love. Family, best friend, pet.... they have a place of rest, wether they're buried or cremated. You arrive to pay your respects or indeed it's the actual day of the funeral to a graveyard full of people blaring out music, boozing, sitting on your loved ones memorial, trampling on whatever may be there and... well you've seen the rest. Goodness knows where they relieve themselves..... doesn't bear thinking about....

You'd be perfectly happy? If you daren't even approach the area? I'd be devastated and furious

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

I'd just like anyone who thinks it's fine to behave that way to sit and think for 5 minutes. You lose someone you love. Dearly love. Family, best friend, pet.... they have a place of rest, wether they're buried or cremated. You arrive to pay your respects or indeed it's the actual day of the funeral to a graveyard full of people blaring out music, boozing, sitting on your loved ones memorial, trampling on whatever may be there and... well you've seen the rest. Goodness knows where they relieve themselves..... doesn't bear thinking about....

You'd be perfectly happy? If you daren't even approach the area? I'd be devastated and furious

I am fully in agreement with you Kerry. That anyone could remotely consider that what was shown in this clip, to be regarded as being acceptable, not seemed disrespectful and bang out of order - I'm completely staggered.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Well anyway I'm not religious like you guys, maybe I would get more upset about it if I believed in your god.

1. I'm not religious
2. I am Agnostic.

so you don't have to wory about getting upset about believing in my god since 'he/she/it' doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned.

It's nothing to do with believing in God, you don't have to believe in a God to bury a person.

I do however know the boundaries upon which something is considered respectful or not and sitting around on headstones, slugging booze, music thumping out, carry outs strewn all over other gravesides etc can never ever be considered respectful.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It's nothing to do with believing in God, you don't have to believe in a God to bury a person.

Sorry I didn't know that, I thought graveyards were owned by churches.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Sorry I didn't know that, I thought graveyards were owned by churches.

Do you think people who aren't religious get thrown in a skip?

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Do you think people who aren't religious get thrown in a skip?

Well my dad was cremated. I just thought that's what non religious people did.

[dirtyvileHARRYuk]

THE JOE DISAGREES WITH MOST OF YOU POSTING ON THIS THREAD. a few reasons - who is any of us to judge how we remember people ? 2. is it so wrong and so disrespteful to drink and by whos standards? and if there was a funeral going on i am sure they would have respected them and been polite.

i have seen nothing in this community that is not 10 times better then our community and i for one will not agree with anyone on this thread. sorry but thats the joe for you lol

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by dirtyvileHARRYuk

THE JOE DISAGREES WITH MOST OF YOU POSTING ON THIS THREAD. a few reasons - who is any of us to judge how we remember people ? 2. is it so wrong and so disrespteful to drink and by whos standards? and if there was a funeral going on i am sure they would have respected them and been polite.

i have seen nothing in this community that is not 10 times better then our community and i for one will not agree with anyone on this thread. sorry but thats the joe for you lol

If I sit and get pissed as a fart blasting music out on your grave I'm sure your family would be delighted

[dirtyvileHARRYuk]

they would probably tell you to turn it up

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by dirtyvileHARRYuk

they would probably tell you to turn it up

Maybe so. But not everyone would

We'll agree to disagree

[InOne]

I would not want to cross Paddy Doherty

This is him in his not so humble days

Youtube video

[Kerry]

I wouldn't cross most travellers. They're not usually reasonable

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by InOne

Youtube video

who behaves like this?

lock them in a cage until they grow up

sadly, I don't think they ever do grow up

[Kerry]

The men seem to stay teens and the women are forced to grow up before their time as far as I can make out. No wonder the average age of death for travellers is 50

[Judas]

This is funny, after you suggested I watched the last episode... and it was entertaining to say the least! Then this morning I was speaking to people from home and found out 'gypsys' had been going around my home area and stealing scraps overnight.... stereotypical much!