[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Conor

The school system should exist to reward people who have the brains, not the money.

It does. It's called sponsorship to prestigious schools.

[Ammi]

I didn't personally send my children to private school because I didn't see the need, however I have no problem with them existing. What people choose to spend the money they have earned on is entirely up to them. A sofa, holiday, whatever, why not their child's education. If they feel it will make a difference thats up to them. Whether it actually will, well they can find out. I can't see its any different to anything else that can be bought, we have private healthcare so why not education. It may be nice to think that if it didn't exist the state school system would improve but who's to say it would. It may be worse because it would have to support a lot more children that are privately schooled, the same way as the national health system would have to support more people if they didn't choose private health care. Everything in life is only available to whoever can afford it no matter how cheap or expensive it is. Children can go to state school but their parents can't afford for them to go on any trips etc. Unfortunately its part of life. Its not about toffs in a lot of cases parents go without stuff themselves because it is their highest priority. Why should we dictate to them how to spend their money. Whether their children benefit or not, well thats up to them

[arista]

"Should Private Schools exist?

Or do you think every school should be the same? Free public schools for everyone!"


You need to move to China or Russia.

What a Crazy thread.

Whatever Next
Ban Boxing?

[Niall]

I also don't really think attending night classes is the same as private schooling because its you doing something that isn't initially offered to you as free if you know what I mean? I frown upon private schooling because its the active rejection of state schooling because you can afford private schooling (well in most cases anyways - I know it wasn't like that for you).

[lostalex]

In a free country you should have as many choices as possible. Private schools create more choices, therefore private schools are good. IMO.

[Boothy]

I think they should exist.

If people have money and want to send their child to a private school, then they should be allowed. In the same way people who can afford private health care have the option of private healthcare.

It's their money.

[Z]

I went to a private school. I think it was 10% of my school was made up of pupils who were there on bursaries/scholarships. My mum started working again so that my parents could get the money together to be able to send me and my younger brother to that school. She gets up at 5am to go to work, my dad's up at 6am, they work long days and they go without a lot of things that they would love to have in order to pay for my brother and I's education. I don't think I am a stuck up person or that I'm any of the things that people have said in this thread about privately educated school pupils. I worked my ass off to get 5As in my Highers, I've just finished my second year of a university degree. Some of my friends have extremely wealthy parents, some of them do not. I'm not sure why there are so many stereotypes being listed in this thread, but it's kind of grating to read because people who act like that in real life are nowhere near as commonplace as is being implied in this thread. Sure, there are some idiots with money (or rather, people with money who have idiot kids) but that can't be helped - in my experience the overwhelming majority of pupils at my school were there to do well and get the best education because everyone else was there to work. Two people left my year of school at the end of 4th year, the minimum age for leaving school. Two. Private schools don't just exist so wealthy people can throw money at them (and I should also mention that, in case it's being forgotten, people who pay for private education still have to contribute to the public school system too, just like everybody else) - they exist so that people have a more stable learning environment. Beastie, my class sizes were closer to 30 than they were to 15, so I'm not sure where you got that figure from.

If anything, I've found that people who went to state schools are openly hostile towards me when they discover I went to a private school because of their stereotypical views, and not because of me. That is, they have this idea in their head of what a private school kid is like and then transfer that on top of my personality, and hate away on a system by making snide comments to me. I'm humble about it. My parents sacrificed a lot to put me there and I tried my absolute hardest to make them proud of me, and I did, what's wrong with that?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Zee

I went to a private school. I think it was 10% of my school was made up of pupils who were there on bursaries/scholarships. My mum started working again so that my parents could get the money together to be able to send me and my younger brother to that school. She gets up at 5am to go to work, my dad's up at 6am, they work long days and they go without a lot of things that they would love to have in order to pay for my brother and I's education. I don't think I am a stuck up person or that I'm any of the things that people have said in this thread about privately educated school pupils. I worked my ass off to get 5As in my Highers, I've just finished my second year of a university degree. Some of my friends have extremely wealthy parents, some of them do not. I'm not sure why there are so many stereotypes being listed in this thread, but it's kind of grating to read because people who act like that in real life are nowhere near as commonplace as is being implied in this thread. Sure, there are some idiots with money (or rather, people with money who have idiot kids) but that can't be helped - in my experience the overwhelming majority of pupils at my school were there to do well and get the best education because everyone else was there to work. Two people left my year of school at the end of 4th year, the minimum age for leaving school. Two. Private schools don't just exist so wealthy people can throw money at them (and I should also mention that, in case it's being forgotten, people who pay for private education still have to contribute to the public school system too, just like everybody else) - they exist so that people have a more stable learning environment. Beastie, my class sizes were closer to 30 than they were to 15, so I'm not sure where you got that figure from.

If anything, I've found that people who went to state schools are openly hostile towards me when they discover I went to a private school because of their stereotypical views, and not because of me. That is, they have this idea in their head of what a private school kid is like and then transfer that on top of my personality, and hate away on a system by making snide comments to me. I'm humble about it. My parents sacrificed a lot to put me there and I tried my absolute hardest to make them proud of me, and I did, what's wrong with that?

Absolutely first rate post Zee. The comments within your last paragraph being so very true: as exemplified by quite a few on this very thread in respect of stereotypical views and blinkered perceptions.

[Jords]

No

[Stu]

This thread's great proof that reverse snobbery is even more annoying that regular snobbery.

Rich twats lol.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Stu

This thread's great proof that reverse snobbery is even more annoying that regular snobbery.

Rich twats lol.

This. I'm sitting here reading this like, okay so I went to a private school, I forgot that that instantly makes me the son of millionaires! Let me go post this reply while I'm jetski-ing in the Maldives! Clarence! More tea!

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Stu

This thread's great proof that reverse snobbery is even more annoying that regular snobbery.

Rich twats lol.

And life's a bitch but hey, that's life for you. lol

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Stu

This thread's great proof that reverse snobbery is even more annoying that regular snobbery.

Rich twats lol.

I created this thread because at the end of the day I think everyone should have the same level of education. Well except those who have learning difficulties or are disabled in which they get extra help anyway or go to a different special school. I think all schools should have a special needs department because most people are cabable. They just need extra help and encouragement. I actually think some parents are great that they save their money to put their sprogs in private schools. Rather than purchase other goods that are no use really.

I just think in the future the education system should change with no private schools. I know that some rich people or people who have been in private schools will disagree with this. Especially from going to a better education to a distinctly average education. I just think everything is too capitalist and everyone in education should be granted the same opportunities.

I have never said anything about stereotypes. You get knobheads in the public school and private school but you also get all round decent people in both schools too. You get snobbery EVERYWHERE. Reverse snobbery is just as bad as snobbery. Unfortunately I get the blunt of both snobbery and reverse snobbery. Because I am more fortunate than some people.. but some people look down at me in the job I do and they think I should have gone to university or something.

I think with no private schools the public schools will become more better off. If parents want their kids or if the kids themselves want to excel in something then they should have classes outside the national curriculum which should be provided for those who are "gifted".

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Beastie

I created this thread because at the end of the day I think everyone should have the same level of education. Well except those who have learning difficulties or are disabled in which they get extra help anyway or go to a different special school. I think all schools should have a special needs department because most people are cabable. They just need extra help and encouragement. I actually think some parents are great that they save their money to put their sprogs in private schools. Rather than purchase other goods that are no use really.

I just think in the future the education system should change with no private schools. I know that some rich people or people who have been in private schools will disagree with this. Especially from going to a better education to a distinctly average education. I just think everything is too capitalist and everyone in education should be granted the same opportunities.

I have never said anything about stereotypes. You get knobheads in the public school and private school but you also get all round decent people in both schools too. You get snobbery EVERYWHERE. Reverse snobbery is just as bad as snobbery. Unfortunately I get the blunt of both snobbery and reverse snobbery. Because I am more fortunate than some people.. but some people look down at me in the job I do and they think I should have gone to university or something.

I think with no private schools the public schools will become more better off. If parents want their kids or if the kids themselves want to excel in something then they should have classes outside the national curriculum which should be provided for those who are "gifted".

Correct you didn't but still they showed up on the thread.

for what it is worth: I have found through very personal experience that many working to middle class 'children' - who go on to attend University - in my own experience from the great many I have met - they come into the workplace on internships / work placements -they are the very ones who look down on others, they are the ones who think they are something, and have the view that they are above even those far more experienced (academically and professionally).

Far more so than any person who has been privately educated during their school years.

Your comment that I've put in red though - confused the issue somewhat for me. Doesn't that invalidate to a degree, your feeling that there should be no private education at all - if on one hand you are 'applauding' parents who do that, but then are saying there shouldn't be different educational systems?

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Correct you didn't but still they showed up on the thread.

for what it is worth: I have found through very personal experience that many working to middle class 'children' - who go on to attend University - in my own experience from the great many I have met - they come into the workplace on internships / work placements -they are the very ones who look down on others, they are the ones who think they are something, and have the view that they are above even those far more experienced (academically and professionally).

Far more so than any person who has been privately educated during their school years.

Your comment that I've put in red though - confused the issue somewhat for me. Doesn't that invalidate to a degree, your feeling that there should be no private education at all - if on one hand you are 'applauding' parents who do that, but then are saying there shouldn't be different educational systems?

There should be a different educational system in the future. I am just applauding parents of what is happening now.

However I applaud parents more who actually give a damn about their children. Not the ones who just dump them at private schools AND public schools but who actually take time with them outside of school like reading them a story.. etc..

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Beastie

There should be a different educational system in the future. I am just applauding parents of what is happening now.

However I applaud parents more who actually give a damn about their children. Not the ones who just dump them at private schools AND public schools but who actually take time with them outside of school like reading them a story.. etc..

Mmm.... only my personal viewpoint: but I think that's entering a whole different territory and whole different debate.

[Toxic]

NO!

Why let people who already have alot of money benefit further in life? we should all be given equal oppertunitys.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Toxic

NO!

Why let people who already have alot of money benefit further in life? we should all be given equal oppertunitys.

If ever proof was needed, if ever there was a reason for private education, this is it!!

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

If ever proof was needed, if ever there was a reason for private education, this is it!!

Dont talk about me like that, how dare you, I was just giving my opinion and that doesn't make me any less intelligent than you.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Toxic

Dont talk about me like that, how dare you, I was just giving my opinion and that doesn't make me any less intelligent than you.

Who said anything about less intelligent - please don't jump to conclusions and pretend I said something I didn't.

I was in fact referring to your last post and in particular your words, 'those with a lot of money'.... you clearly haven't read many of the posts put up by members who HAVE had private education, but come from very humble backgrounds - and not because they came from families with a lot of money - but to the contrary.

You not acknowledging this basic fact, rather than showing you as being intelligent or not is not for me to decide: what it does show is an ability to avoid what others are clearly stating. That it does not take 'those with a lot of money' to be the only people who send their children to private schooling. What it does show is this misconception that it is only those 'with a lot of money' who benefit from such education. This is simply not true.

To avoid and dismiss the comments from members telling others on here that they did not come from well to do families seems not only a blinkered thing to do: it's also quite an ignorant viewpoint based on skewed perception.

[letmein]

This thread is ripe with Communists.

No wonder Britain is in the state it's in.

[Shaun]

eh sure why not.

grammar schools >

[Tom4784]

If somebody has the resources or the determination to attend these schools then good for them. If iIwas a parent and I had the chance to send my kids to one I'd do it. I just think that maybe there should be more scholarships and the like on offer to give more chances to talented pupils who don't have the money to attend these places.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If somebody has the resources or the determination to attend these schools then good for them. If iIwas a parent and I had the chance to send my kids to one I'd do it. I just think that maybe there should be more scholarships and the like on offer to give more chances to talented pupils who don't have the money to attend these places.

Excellent point and I agree 100%.

Just think of the amount of scholarships that the government could fund: instead of ploughing such finances into handing out new IDs to child abusers and child murders. Would be nice for the Government to divert those millions of pounds that they put toward the evil people in our society - and gave it to the 'good people' in our society.

[Pyramid*]

At the point of me posting this comment: 22 members have put up comment.

Out of those 22 members: at least 4 have been educated (full or in part) privately.

That' represents 18.8% - ie: almost a fifth of the members on this thread have received private schooling - without knowing Chuck's background - all others have stated that they do not come from rich / well off /wealthy families.

I happen to be aware of at least 4 other members (and I don't mean those who never post: I mean regular active posters, who have been educated privately and are not 'rolling in it').

Kinda blows the myth that many have on here that private education is only for the elite few and the very rich in our society ......... hard to argue with the figures.