[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I, on the other hand believe she felt like she was going to be sick. She was singing mmbop for Gods sake, I think it's far more likely she felt ill rather than forget any of the 3 words in the song.

mmbarf...I corrected that for you

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Ammi

mmbarf...I corrected that for you

Just as well I never mentioned it, coz I thought it was called MMMbop !!!

Mmmmm...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Just as well I never mentioned it, coz I thought it was called MMMbop !!!

Mmmmm...

I think you're right Pyr..correction...MMMbarf

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I wouldn't blame her for feeling that way, the way she's been treated. She certainly never struck me as arrogant more down trodden the last couple of weeks than anything else. She is only a child still.

Most of them have all had a hard time, 3 for example being Misha, Kitty with the hellish press they've both had, then Amelia who had to come back 5 weeks later and was playing catchup etc.

Maybe I'm too hard - but if she (Janet) is still regarded as a child, then she shouldn't be playing with adults then - if she hasn't got what it takes all round - nerves or not, it proves she's not ready - right now anyway.

This week she forgot due to nerves/going to be sick....what was her excuse the other week? She just forgot her words? It's a fairly crucial part of a singing competition.

I'm sure she'll find some small success in a particular niche of the market: but I don't see her being a huge success.

Originally Posted by Ammi

I think you're right Pyr..correction...MMMbarf

I wasn't sure myself tbh - hence why I never commented on it before, I was more poking fun at myself for thinking it had 3 MMM's.... mmmm


Mmmbarf

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Absolutely fair enough comment, I'm sure many will agree with you that they feel she's being honest about being ready to be sick/going to be sick.

I genuinely don't.

I honestly do think she gives out this very quiet, almost shy to a point, innocent young thing image when she's far from it. Even her words after it: "I can't wait to leave this and get my own work out there" - there is just something I find about her that's arrogant - but she tries to hide it.

I wouldn't blame her for feeling that way, the way she's been treated. She certainly never struck me as arrogant more down trodden the last couple of weeks than anything else. She is only a child still.

Originally Posted by Ammi

mmbarf...I corrected that for you

[MusicXian]

I think she really is shy and innocent on a stage. Obviously it's also good that she didn't want to lose her image as an artist and turn into an XF diva. For that she has to be applauded.

In week 2 her Grandad died, most other acts would use that as a platform for sympathy votes, but she made little out of it.

[MusicXian]

Also it's worth noting when Janet first forgot her words, the producers changed the time of the song by 20 seconds, 20 minutes before the show.

A good article on the XF killing off Janet

http://sofabet.com/2011/11/28/x-fact.../#comment-9793

[MusicXian]

Also it's worth noting when Janet first forgot her words, the producers changed the time of the song by 20 seconds, 20 minutes before the show.

A good article on the XF killing off Janet

http://sofabet.com/2011/11/28/x-fact.../#comment-9793

[MusicXian]

Actually Janet doesn't act like a child. I think she is shy, polite, not arrogant at all, but knows what she wants.

In fact unlike the other contestants who are now left, Janet is one that knows what she wants, will make sure she does it on her terms and is very self-aware.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MusicXian

Actually Janet doesn't act like a child. I think she is shy, polite, not arrogant at all, but knows what she wants.

In fact unlike the other contestants who are now left, Janet is one that knows what she wants, will make sure she does it on her terms and is very self-aware.

I'm not altogether sure anyone said Janet acts like a child.

Niamh said that she was 'only a child still', to which I replied, that if she is still regarded as being a child, then she shouldn't be playing with adults. I don't think anyone actually meant that she acts like one. I don't personally think she does act like a child.

She is determined though - better she have that than not give a damn.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I'm not altogether sure anyone said Janet acts like a child.

Niamh said that she was 'only a child still', to which I replied, that if she is still regarded as being a child, then she shouldn't be playing with adults. I don't think anyone actually meant that she acts like one. I don't personally think she does act like a child.

She is determined though - better she have that than not give a damn.

Yes, I wasn't saying she acted like a child, I would just consider a 17 year old to still be a child and I suppose I feel for younger acts more, that's all

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes, I wasn't saying she acted like a child, I would just consider a 17 year old to still be a child and I suppose I feel for younger acts more, that's all

Totally understandable: put her into comparison with Kitty for example - Kitty's got more experience, more used to dealing with rejections etc - I did 'get' what you meant - from a 'protective' point of view because she'll be less experienced in dealing with all this.

I'll be the first to say that I am pretty hard - and perhaps I am being too hard, given her young age, (but I STILL feel she simply forgot the words).

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Totally understandable: put her into comparison with Kitty for example - Kitty's got more experience, more used to dealing with rejections etc - I did 'get' what you meant - from a 'protective' point of view because she'll be less experienced in dealing with all this.

I'll be the first to say that I am pretty hard - and perhaps I am being too hard, given her young age, (but I STILL feel she simply forgot the words).

Well, either way she messed up the song, I don't suppose it matters that much now anyway.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by pyramid

I'll be the first to say that I am pretty hard - and perhaps I am being too hard, given her young age, (but I STILL feel she simply forgot the words).

not everyone is confident and capable of dealing with the massive attention that the x-factor gives, sometimes people need a lot of encouragement to flourish. Janet's at her best when she feels comfortable doing what she does and knows. Mmmbop was not in Janet's comfort zone so she messed it up. Kelly should have been telling her this and encouraging Janet to do more of her own type of music and building from that, but instead she just left her to her own devices and spent her time buddying up with Misha.

The way Kelly didn't support Janet was pathetic last night. Janet would have gone either way.. she couldn't care less about Janet and sacrificed her just to keep in cahoots with Misha imo

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

not everyone is confident and capable of dealing with the massive attention that the x-factor gives, sometimes people need a lot of encouragement to flourish. Janet's at her best when she feels comfortable doing what she does and knows. Mmmbop was not in Janet's comfort zone so she messed it up. Kelly should have been telling her this and encouraging Janet to do more of her own type of music and building from that, but instead she just left her to her own devices and spent her time buddying up with Misha.

The way Kelly didn't support Janet was pathetic last night. Janet would have gone either way.. she couldn't care less about Janet and sacrificed her just to keep in cahoots with Misha imo

I'm pretty sure that when Janet applied for the Xfactor, that it wouldn't have been an unknown show for her - which has the contestants performing all manner of songs/gendre- and that is well known.

If Janet wasn't up to it - she shouldn't have entered. Twice now (three if you could both foul ups from this weekend) - she has forgotten her words. She didn't make the grade, that's the bottom line.

On the contrary to what you feel about Kelly's decision (or lack of) last night: I have seen clip after clip of Kelly boosting Janet, encouraging her and supporting her - so where you get this idea of Kelly being in 'cahoots' with Misha, is beyond me.

Someone had to go last night, and it was Janet. That's showbiz.

[fruit_cake]

duh Kelli did made a decision, it was to try and look as good as possible and then keep in Misha's good books. Kelli knew Janet was out if she didn't vote, Dermot said it, it was clear as crystal!

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

duh Kelli did made a decision, it was to try and look as good as possible and then keep in Misha's good books. Kelli knew Janet was out if she didn't vote, Dermot said it, it was clear as crystal!

No need for the 'duh' comment.

Kelly actually abstained from making a decision between them both.


Therefore there is no bearing on how you are perceiving it.

What Dermott said, crystal clearly - was that if Kelly did not vote: Janet is out right now - because there was a majority vote at that point. Gary then confirmed that he too would have opted for sending Janet - so the end result would have been the same.

Therefore, if Kelly had saved Janet, Janet would still have received a majority vote to send her packing - from Louis, Tulisa and Gary.

I'm not sure why you cannot see that - and cannot accept that regardless of who Kelly decided to send home - it would have made no difference.

The weaker singer left. Regardless, because of a majority vote from the other 3 judges: not because Kelly abstained from voting.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

No need for the 'duh' comment.

Kelly actually abstained from making a decision between them both.


Therefore there is no bearing on how you are perceiving it.

What Dermott said, crystal clearly - was that if Kelly did not vote: Janet is out right now - because there was a majority vote at that point. Gary then confirmed that he too would have opted for sending Janet - so the end result would have been the same.

Therefore, if Kelly had saved Janet, Janet would still have received a majority vote to send her packing - from Louis, Tulisa and Gary.

I'm not sure why you cannot see that - and cannot accept that regardless of who Kelly decided to send home - it would have made no difference.

The weaker singer left. Regardless, because of a majority vote from the other 3 judges: not because Kelly abstained from voting.

Well, she didn't know which way Gary would have voted until afterwards, at that point if she had saved Janet, there was still a chance of it going to deadlock, by refusing to vote she was, in effect making sure Janet went home.

Also, I disagree the weaker singer left, I by far preferred Janets voice and much preferred her final song to Mishas.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, she didn't know which way Gary would have voted until afterwards, at that point if she had saved Janet, there was still a chance of it going to deadlock, by refusing to vote she was, in effect making sure Janet went home.

Also, I disagree the weaker singer left, I by far preferred Janets voice and much preferred her final song to Mishas.

I find it very hard to believe that the judges haven't already made their minds up - long before those in the bottom two have even sung. After all: at least two of the judges last night based their decision not on the sing off song: but overall perfomances throughout and who would be a better recording artist, fill concerts etc.

I'm pretty sure they all knew that when it came down to just Janet and Misha, that Janet would be going.

It's one of the reasons as I've said in other threads, why I think it's a massive con - because the public only get to really decide at the finals - until that point, the judges are still in control of which in the bottom two leave.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I find it very hard to believe that the judges haven't already made their minds up - long before those in the bottom two have even sung. After all: at least two of the judges last night based their decision not on the sing off song: but overall perfomances throughout and who would be a better recording artist, fill concerts etc.

I'm pretty sure they all knew that when it came down to just Janet and Misha, that Janet would be going.

It's one of the reasons as I've said in other threads, why I think it's a massive con - because the public only get to really decide at the finals - until that point, the judges are still in control of which in the bottom two leave.

Yeah, I agree with that alright. The sing off itself seems pretty pointless to me, I mean they should either base it completely on the sing off or just not waste theirs (or the acts) time and energy on it.

[blandchild]

I feel desperately sorry for Janet. One minute she is flavour of the month and the next she is being slagged off quite brutally by Gary. It is no wonder her confidence was shot. I hope she does not get put off the whole thing now. She does have a good voice and might do as well as Leona.

[Jords]

Possibly an excuse, but who knows

[MusicXian]

Problem is every year you will get a fave to keep you watching and I don't mind a bet on it either

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MusicXian

Problem is every year you will get a fave to keep you watching and I don't mind a bet on it either

The cast it out, we bite, and then they reel us in.

Hook, line and sinker.

[Vicky.]

I actually stopped watching after they pulled the double elimination to get frankie out...it failed so they kicked him out anyway(I know that wasnt the 'official story though, but its clear as crystal to me ). Not necessarily because I liked Frankie, but just because of how off the whole situation was...

Its always been fixed to an extent, but this year it has been more blatant than ever.

I watch if its on, but I dont make a point of watching like I used to, and no WAY would I ever vote. There isnt really much point.