[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...not before Christmas Niamh..think of Gav and the children....

..does Gav know how to cook a turkey...?...

hahaha, he's a great cook actually

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

hahaha, he's a great cook actually

...oh LOL ok, I wasn't expecting that...I can't really say..go ahead and die then..see what it's like...haha..you got me there...do you know what to do if you have a little piece of wrapping paper and you haven't got a gift small enough to fit in it..?..I don't want to throw it away, it might come in useful for something..such a waste....?....and then do I have to cut off a whole big bit, just to wrap up this small thing which is too big for the smaller bit...?....

..Niamh...help....please...don't die on me, I need you....

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...oh LOL ok, I wasn't expecting that...I can't really say..go ahead and die then..see what it's like...haha..you got me there...do you know what to do if you have a little piece of wrapping paper and you haven't got a gift small enough to fit in it..?..I don't want to throw it away, it might come in useful for something..such a waste....?....and then do I have to cut off a whole big bit, just to wrap up this small thing which is too big for the smaller bit...?....

..Niamh...help....please...don't die on me, I need you....

Simple, buy something to fit it

[King Gizzard]

I come on TiBB to get away from stuff like this lol, but I do so...I'll leave it at that

[LemonJam]

I don't believe in an afterlife of any form quite honestly. It's a lovely thought but I think it's essentially an emotional crutch for those who fear death.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

I don't believe in an afterlife of any form quite honestly. It's a lovely thought but I think it's essentially an emotional crutch for those who fear death.

Surely, everyone is fearful of death.

Originally Posted by Livia

Surely, everyone is fearful of death.

The Greek philosopher, Epicurus.

"Death is nothing to me because I'll never experience it. When I'm dead, I won't know or care that I'm dead. I desire happiness and I fear pain, since neither exists in death, death is of neutral value and not something to be desired or feared."

That sums it up quite nicely.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

The Greek philosopher, Epicurus.

"Death is nothing to me because I'll never experience it. When I'm dead, I won't know or care that I'm dead. I desire happiness and I fear pain, since neither exists in death, death is of neutral value and not something to be desired or feared."

That sums it up quite nicely.

I agree with that but for me it's more a fear of losing people I love by dying and those great connections.

[LemonJam]

Originally Posted by Livia

Surely, everyone is fearful of death.

True :P what I mean to say is that I think people who do believe in an afterlife of some sort take comfort in that, because they may not like the idea of life just ending with nothing else afterwards. So I'll reword myself, I think that the idea of an afterlife is a much nicer alternative than just nothingness and it puts people more at ease with the idea of passing on.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

True :P what I mean to say is that I think people who do believe in an afterlife of some sort take comfort in that, because they may not like the idea of life just ending with nothing else afterwards. So I'll reword myself, I think that the idea of an afterlife is a much nicer alternative than just nothingness and it puts people more at ease with the idea of passing on.

..I believe that people do 'pass on' LJ..but there is something that isn't tangible...and maybe that something is just what's in people's hearts..minds, memories etc..I don't know...but we're all more that just a physical body..and I can only 'see' that part that passes on....

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Livia

Surely, everyone is fearful of death.

not really. I'm quite ambivalent about it. When it happens, it happens.

[Irene Pearson]

Originally Posted by Turboman

not really. I'm quite ambivalent about it. When it happens, it happens.

Me too Turboman. Fearing death must be quite disabling.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Turboman

not really. I'm quite ambivalent about it. When it happens, it happens.

When I said everyone fears death, I didn't mean to imply that I spend my whole life worrying about it. What does scare me slightly is the thought of a long, lingering death, of losing control of my body while my brain stays active or of suffering a hugely painful death. And of course, the pain that is caused to those who love you when you die.

[AnnieK]

This is such a personal issue and one that is very hard to debate as I think by adult age you have formed a view on this and as it is never likely to be proved one way or another it's just a personal take on it. Personally I believe in reincarnation but if you don't then that's fine.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Mrs Claus

This is such a personal issue and one that is very hard to debate as I think by adult age you have formed a view on this and as it is never likely to be proved one way or another it's just a personal take on it. Personally I believe in reincarnation but if you don't then that's fine.

...I don't think I thought about it at all when I was youger Annie..from that point, I can see what LJ is saying...I've only ever thought a lot about it since adulthood and losing more people I've been close to....

[Kizzy]

I feel as kazanne that we journey through life the goals are to feed our souls, to enrich them. That we have to achieve a certain level of knowledge not academic but spiritual.
In a way religion hinders that path as we are told what to do, and what is right and wrong.
This stops us using our own instinct and intuition to guide us, thus affecting our free will.
The one strange thing is if we are decended from beasts when did the conscience evolve?
Animals are driven by base instinct, so when did we get to choose what we do against ours?

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

I feel as kazanne that we journey through life the goals are to feed our souls, to enrich them. That we have to achieve a certain level of knowledge not academic but spiritual.
In a way religion hinders that path as we are told what to do, and what is right and wrong.
This stops us using our own and intuition to guide us, thus affecting our free will.
The one strange thing is if we are decended from beasts when did the conscience evolve?
Animals are driven by base instinct, so when did we get to choose what we do against ours?

It's one of the big breakthroughs in evolution.

To start, we walked upright which freed up our hands
We evolved opposable thumbs, which allowed us to manipulate our environment and create tools and weapons.

The fact we were both hunting and cooking meat, increased the sizes of our brains massively.

Conscience is more than likely a by product of basic empathy that the great apes all exhibit, but the brain is so complex, that we're only scratching the surface.

[Irene Pearson]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

I feel as kazanne that we journey through life the goals are to feed our souls, to enrich them. That we have to achieve a certain level of knowledge not academic but spiritual.
In a way religion hinders that path as we are told what to do, and what is right and wrong.
This stops us using our own instinct and intuition to guide us, thus affecting our free will.
The one strange thing is if we are decended from beasts when did the conscience evolve?
Animals are driven by base instinct, so when did we get to choose what we do against ours?

Agree with the first part of your post. If a person wants to seek spiritual enlightenment Just quietly in your own space ask for it.I was taught by my Christian upbringing that life after death was a fact. I felt the God I was encouraged to "worship" had definitely at the very least a warped personality. I turned away from that as soon as I could and sought a real path FOR ME. We are all capable of finding that enlightenment FOR OURSELVES. What you personally need you will find.

[Kazanne]

I could try explaining but I'll be here forever all I know is I have faith and have always believed we are here to give something to the world,as in our children etc.I believe we should all be aware that we are not the be all and end all of everything,the world is quite sick at the moment and that is down to us,as life goes on hopefully we will learn to be more compassionate and tolerant.

[InOne]

I don't believe in any form of afterlife or that we have a 'spirit'. I also know I didn't get any of my morals from the Bible, they're just drilled inside of it. Basically whatever you'd describe a conscience as.

It would be nice to have faith but none of it is logical to me. And it's a very personal thing for people and if they have it nothing will change their minds.

[armand.kay]

I like to thing I believe in a after life but deep down I know it isn't real

[smeagol]

i look at it two ways
one.
we are no different than the maggots and worms that slither on the earth. the only difference between humans is we think were better than any other creature and we have heaven and hell n they have nothing. but in reality there is nothing we are just destructive creatures who are born consume n die no god nothing born from germs.

or my own theory which i like is. we die and come back to re live the same life over and over without knowing it that's why we get de ja vue as we have already lived it before but each time its different. as sometimes we make different choices.
though i have seen ghosts and other things .therefore believe in them so there is something spirit wise out there that is for sure.
there is no god no devil. i think the god and devil is in all of us. thats why you get evil people they let the devil side rule. and you get really good people. most of us are both.
there is no hell or heaven. life can be hell for many ,
you would be one unlucky sob to have a life of hell die then go to hell lol yikes. no such thing.

[Irene Pearson]

Originally Posted by smeagol

i look at it two ways
one.
we are no different than the maggots and worms that slither on the earth. the only difference between humans is we think were better than any other creature and we have heaven and hell n they have nothing. but in reality there is nothing we are just destructive creatures who are born consume n die no god nothing born from germs.

or my own theory which i like is. we die and come back to re live the same life over and over without knowing it that's why we get de ja vue as we have already lived it before but each time its different. as sometimes we make different choices.
though i have seen ghosts and other things .therefore believe in them so there is something spirit wise out there that is for sure.
there is no god no devil. i think the god and devil is in all of us. thats why you get evil people they let the devil side rule. and you get really good people. most of us are both.
there is no hell or heaven. life can be hell for many ,
you would be one unlucky sob to have a life of hell die then go to hell lol yikes. no such thing.

Agree with most if your theory

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by smeagol

or my own theory which i like is. we die and come back to re live the same life over and over without knowing it that's why we get de ja vue as we have already lived it before but each time its different. as sometimes we make different choices.

I find that quite a depressing thought tbh.

I'd prefer to come back and get the chance to live someone else's life (preferably rich) .

Not that I believe money is the key to happiness or in anyway discontent with my own life.

[Kazanne]

I believe,not because I have been told to,I just FEEL it quite strongly.