[Lee.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

It's not a child though. It's not a child until it is born. I agree that once it is a child then the parents should have 50/50 say.

Aw Alex, of course its a childyou can hear the wee things heart beat at 12 weeks and feel it stir and hiccup and punch soon after. To me my children, were my children even in my tummy, I just hadn't met them yet.

[the truth]

women often dont even tell the man....in some cases they lie and tell the wrong person hes the daddy....I think that should be a criminal offence, the longer the lie, the longer time she serves in prison. if she milks money too by doing this then she pays it back plus more prison time

as for dads having a say....well yes its common sense, common decency to allow the father a voice....but these days morality and decency are dead and everything has to be legislated for

perhaps the pregnant woman should have to tell the doctor , who the father is....then he in turn has a duty to inform the father and the father be offered some kind of consultation where the doctor is present....something along those lines. it wont happen for 20 years but feminazis are still scremaing louder than anyone. one day their mindless divisive hateful tirade will be seen as the evil elf defeating self serving bile it is....then perhaps we can make fair progress on this delicate issue

people wonder why so many millions of men throw themselves off bridges around the world (as Ive said before male suicide is 4 to 5 times the female rate in every nation on earth) this is partly because women get infinitely more support in everything they do from the state from the nhs from charities and support groups etc etc also because men are ultimately powerless in all situations.....a woman can divorce a man and almost always get the home, the kids and a lifetimes income....the man gets thrown into the street and loses everything.....if that happened to me id kill myself

then throw in the fact UK is one of the highest abortion rates in the world approx 20% of all pregnancies are aborted....women dont get much support either or advice as the feminazis deem it patronizing to offer the mothers to be options before terminating the pregnancy

so every 6 years theres a million aborted babies.....thats a million men walking around who have had their potential children killed and they were powerless to do anything about it.....many women even do it from spite....women can be evil just like men

so hows it a mans world? they kill themselves at 4 times the rate, die 5 years younger, get falsely accused by anyone and their lives and repuation destroyed, get thrown from the home theyve spent their life building, lose the children theyve loved, get lied to about fatherhood, yet still finance it, work longer hours, yet have far less disposable income and far less spening hours than women, heck in many cases the male hands much of his salary to his wife and kids....how many men do you see spening on the high street? 20% or less? oh but theyre ok to drag you out of burning buildings, getting shot on the front line, building skyscrapers, cleaning the sewers, flying emergency helicopters, fighting in submarines etc etc yeah its a mans world lol

[arista]

Yes Men should have the say.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Men should have the say.

I do hope you meant to say "a" say Arista

[Jake.]

Sorry, I thought that it was the latest, I might be wrong....

[Jake.]

I think it's 6 months (24 weeks), not 7

[Vicky.]

Its 24 weeks I think.

Babies are classed as 'viable' at 24 weeks...meaning they have a good chance of survival outside the woman. And if the woman went into labour, the doctors would always try to save it. Before 24 weeks...they dont have to even attempt, though some do it anyway.

However some babies have survived being born earlier than that.

The 24 week limit is way too late IMO, personally I would make it around 12 weeks. But thats a whole other thread

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Its 24 weeks I think.

Babies are classed as 'viable' at 24 weeks...meaning they have a good chance of survival outside the woman. And if the woman went into labour, the doctors would always try to save it. Before 24 weeks...they dont have to even attempt, though some do it anyway.

However some babies have survived being born earlier than that.

The 24 week limit is way too late IMO, personally I would make it around 12 weeks. But thats a whole other thread

And that breaks my heart. Poor little children.

[AnnieK]

24 weeks is the legal limit although a medical termination can be carried out past this time if deemed appropriate by medical staff. Unfortunately, one reason they will carry is out is cleft lip and palate which is disgraceful as a simple op at birth can correct that.

24 weeks is far too late IMO anyway but that is currently the limit.

[Z]

It takes two people to create a baby, so I do think it should be an equal decision, but as it is the woman who has to go through the process of being pregnant and giving birth, the decisive say should always lie with the woman. It's tough I think, but it's probably tougher on women, because of that extra responsibility that comes with having a child. In instances where one potential parent wants one thing and the other wants the opposite, it should always be up to the woman to decide - it's her body. Must be horrible to be stuck in that dilemma though.

[Marsh.]

The woman obviously has to go through the actual literal physical side of things so it is a much tougher decision for her, but completely ignoring the opinions/wishes of the father is wrong IMO.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

The woman obviously has to go through the actual literal physical side of things so it is a much tougher decision for her, but completely ignoring the opinions/wishes of the father is wrong IMO.

I think that abortion in general is wrong, to be honest...I really wish people wouldn't look it at from a "how developed or underdeveloped is it?" viewpoint. I'm completely in favour of it for rape and all but the ones who use it as a form of contraception are sickening.

[the truth]

loads more babies born around 22 to 26 weeks survive now as science advances...give the poor babies a chance to live before murdering them.

[lostalex]

Oh i thought we were talking about legally, should a man have a say in the final decision. And i would say that no, a man should not be able to stop a woman from carrying out her decision.

Obviously any decent human being takes other people's feelings into consideration, but in the end, I think the final decision should be 100% made by the woman.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Oh i thought we were talking about legally, should a man have a say in the final decision. And i would say that no, a man should not be able to stop a woman from carrying out her decision.

Obviously any decent human being takes other people's feelings into consideration, but in the end, I think the final decision should be 100% made by the woman.

Yes this is what I meant.

Actually, editing the title to make this clearer

[Marsh.]

Depends entirely on the circumstances.

If you have a completely selfish woman having an abortion without consulting the father then that is different to a rape victim or when the father has walked out.

The major blow against world poverty will only happen when every woman has control of her own reproductive system.

[Ryan57]

A father should have a say. He had a part in the production.

[lostalex]

Men often purposefully break condoms during sex and pretend "oops i didn't notice it broke".

A lot of men also use getting a woman pregnant as a way to control her and keep her in his life.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Men often purposefully break condoms during sex and pretend "oops i didn't notice it broke".

A lot of men also use getting a woman pregnant as a way to control her and keep her in his life.

You have a very bizarre view of the world

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Men often purposefully break condoms during sex and pretend "oops i didn't notice it broke".

A lot of men also use getting a woman pregnant as a way to control her and keep her in his life.

Yeah sure

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

You have a very bizarre view of the world

Originally Posted by JH95

Yeah sure

I don't think its 'often' at all but I would say that happens sometimes

A bit like how some women will stop taking the pill without telling the man.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Men often purposefully break condoms during sex and pretend "oops i didn't notice it broke".

A lot of men also use getting a woman pregnant as a way to control her and keep her in his life.

A lot of women do the same.
Does that mean we should tar everyone with the same brush? No.

Then again, you only said that to attempt some "controversy" anyway so moving on.

The whole "it's her body" doesn't sit well with me entirely neither. She's willingly shared her body with someone else and together they've created another person. As much his baby as it is hers IMO.

[Jake.]

Just like it sometimes happens that a woman lies about being on the pill I suppose

[Vicky.]

Heh, I edited that in just when you posted