[Me. I Am Salman]

Marsh aren't you a Christian

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I never said it did. I'm pointing out the disrespect emanating from Danielle from the beginning as she insists on keeping up the pretence of being a good catholic girl when she's the exact opposite.

But that's got nothing to do with what Helen said is my point. The fact is, that's her faith and it wouldn't matter who the person was or their preferences in life, insulting somebodies religion is just wrong.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

If she was pointing out Danielle's hypocrisy then fair enough but she did take it too far with the 'go **** Jesus' stuff

You basically said what I was trying to get at but better, so this.

[reece(:]

I wonder if the PC brigade have gone to ofcom yet?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by reece(:

I wonder if the PC brigade have gone to ofcom yet?

Doubt it, not about this anyway. Christianity is fair game, any other religion however...

[GypsyGoth]

Danielle is making a mockery of her religion (if it really is her religion) she has gone in there pretending to be obedient to her god and virginal when she is nothing of the sort. It's just a gimmick. And the fact that BB has not said it to her in the DR makes me suspicious that they are complicit in the charade that she's carrying on.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Doubt it, not about this anyway. Christianity is fair game, any other religion however...

well this is (or was) a Christian country, it's not like oppression against Christians/Catholics etc is a major issue in Britain. whilst it's not right, you can sort of understand why people would take more offence at a similar comment say to a Muslim as islamophobia is a very real problem in the UK today, usually associated with the absolute scum of society. I doubt Helen is anti-Christian

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Me. I Am Salman

well this is (or was) a Christian country, it's not like oppression against Christians/Catholics etc is a major issue in Britain. whilst it's not right, you can sort of understand why people would take more offence at a similar comment say to a Muslim as islamophobia is a very real problem in the UK today, usually associated with the absolute scum of society. I doubt Helen is anti-Christian

Get your ass over to serious debates with posts like this

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Me. I Am Salman

Marsh aren't you a Christian

Not practising but how is that relevant or funny?

Originally Posted by Jake.

But that's got nothing to do with what Helen said is my point. The fact is, that's her faith and it wouldn't matter who the person was or their preferences in life, insulting somebodies religion is just wrong.

I never said it did have anything to do with what Helen said. I'm pointing out how they're both disrespectful of the religion but in different ways.

Maybe you misunderstand, I'm not justifying what Helen said. I'm simply pointing out Danielle is guilty of the same but she's doing it in a different way.

[Me. I Am Salman]

calm down love

just found it a bit funny how you're on the complete other side of the argument

[Jake.]

(I'm Catholic myself lol)

[Jake.]

Although not really practicing, I still pray and stuff

[Me. I Am Salman]

-is a pretty strict muslim-

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Me. I Am Salman

calm down love

just found it a bit funny how you're on the complete other side of the argument

I don't need to calm down, I seriously just don't understand what you mean?

You'll have to explain, I'm tired. Other side of what?

[Me. I Am Salman]

As in you seem to be on Helen's side

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Me. I Am Salman

As in you seem to be on Helen's side

Well then you've misunderstood because I'm not.

I'm not justifying or liking her comment about religion, I was just pointing out that by feigning her religious morals Danielle is just as bad if not worse IMO. She's an all out fake.

[Lozzibear]

I agree... didn't she also say something about going/wanting to punch her...

[johllllll]

I think everyone is forgetting danielle's attitude throughout this whole show. She clearly favours massive oppression of women. "you have to be lady like", just one of many examples. Why is a women not aloud to talk about sex, a perfectly natural thing yet a lad can. People like her are stopping this world from evolving into a completely equal and free society. It takes people like helen to give narrow minded, brainwashed individuals a kick up the arse.

Having a religious view is a free choice but when using it as opression or influencing other people is wrong on many levels

[Mick McMick]

Originally Posted by Me. I Am Salman

well this is (or was) a Christian country, it's not like oppression against Christians/Catholics etc is a major issue in Britain. whilst it's not right, you can sort of understand why people would take more offence at a similar comment say to a Muslim as islamophobia is a very real problem in the UK today, usually associated with the absolute scum of society. I doubt Helen is anti-Christian

Maybe not in the UK, but Christians are being murdered for their beliefs all across the world at an ever-increasing rate.

[Ammi]

..hmmm, but we don't really know what Danielle's beliefs are, surely..?..because she appears to be using whatever they are as a gameplay and not even a very good one either...she's 'offended' at swearing etc and isn't used to being around it and then in a complete reverse she's joining in with the very best of them/within the blink of an eye..

..whether I was someone who agreed with what she believed in or not, it doesn't matter because she was someone who I thought potentially was going to be a very interesting and complex housemate but I don't think she is ..her game play is very transparent and using 'religion' herself, to me makes her the 'insulting' one because she really makes a complete mockery of genuine beliefs..so many people and even on this forum, scorn and ridicule religion and beliefs and she really has done no favours at all and just makes it look complete hypocrisy... I'm certainly no Helen fan but I think that Danielle is also very much the 'offender' here...

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..hmmm, but we don't really know what Danielle's beliefs are, surely..?..because she appears to be using whatever they are as a gameplay and not even a very good one either...she's 'offended' at swearing etc and isn't used to being around it and then in a complete reverse she's joining in with the very best of them/within the blink of an eye..

..whether I was someone who agreed with what she believed in or not, it doesn't matter because she was someone who I thought potentially was going to be a very interesting and complex housemate but I don't think she is ..her game play is very transparent and using 'religion' herself, to me makes her the 'insulting' one because she really makes a complete mockery of genuine beliefs..so many people and even on this forum, scorn and ridicule religion and beliefs and she really has done no favours at all and just makes it look complete hypocrisy... I'm certainly no Helen fan but I think that Danielle is also very much the 'offender' here...

This! Danielle is a fake and a hypocrite. Can't stand her.

[Cherie]

Danielle has gone in trying to be different and gain an edge, it's backfired massively on her as she truely does not believe in what she is saying, i think she hoped it would give her the under dog mantle but it just comes across as false.Keep her in over Tamara though please.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Danielle has gone in trying to be different and gain an edge, it's backfired massively on her as she truely does not believe in what she is saying, i think she hoped it would give her the under dog mantle but it just comes across as false.Keep her in over Tamara though please.

If she was herself she would be liked more. No one is fooled by her poor me act.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Danielle is a fake christian (if indeed real ones exist) and its plain to see that its an act, even to Helen so frankly it not surprising that in a row, what everyone is thinking gets articulated.

The reason it would not be tolerated if it were Islam for example is that Christians are on the whole able to accept that people dont respect or believe in their religion, Muslims have not reached that stage yet and still think they are right etc. As a producer you know that you will not get into trouble for a christian bash but you also know you would for anti-islam

Its about blame and self.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Doubt it, not about this anyway. Christianity is fair game, any other religion however...

Exactly what i said in another thread ,IF Danielle was a Muslim, Helen would have been booted, no questions asked