[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Frankly... if a group of foreign students came here and got naked in a graveyard, then were accused of causing a natural disaster and put in prison, I would be ****ing horrified.

But they're not in jail on the charges of 'causing a natural disaster', the charges are obscenity, and you can be charged for pretty similar in the UK

The fact that some people do think the two things are linked - well shock horror, not everyone thinks as most Westerners do, different cultures have different belief systms, it doesn't do much good taking an attitude of 'those silly little tribal people should get over themselves'. If you're not comfortable with a belief that - though alien to us - is deeply held and embedded in their society then there's not much point in visiting in the first place. And if it does result in their jailing then there is not much point in our finger wagging and tutting. Politely requesting that they are met with clemency fine; demanding their release shouting that it's based on nothing more than 'fairies' and 'nonsense' - not so fine

[user104658]

It IS based on fairies and nonsense though, and of course there's a point in visiting the place. The world is stunning. It's stunning with or without stupid people and their backwards beliefs. To reiterate, again, what they did was stupid. It is not stupid enough to warrant being locked up or having their safety threatened. Anywhere.

[MTVN]

I don't think you are cut out for international diplomacy TS

The world is stunning I agree but there is more to appreciate than its geography and architecture

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It IS based on fairies and nonsense though, and of course there's a point in visiting the place. The world is stunning. It's stunning with or without stupid people and their backwards beliefs. To reiterate, again, what they did was stupid. It is not stupid enough to warrant being locked up or having their safety threatened. Anywhere.

Getting locked up for 3 months
is good
Others want them Hanged


Respect Every Nation you enter TS

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I don't think you are cut out for international diplomacy TS

The world is stunning I agree but there is more to appreciate than its geography and architecture

I appreciate what you're saying about what helps them (being humble etc. Etc.) and if I was a lawyer or diplomat representing them I might employ a different tactic, feign acceptance of their juvenile beliefs, and what not.

However I am neither of those things and I doubt (though can't be sure I suppose) that the Malaysian authorities aren't on TiBB. They probably think that the Internet is the work of Abaddon and that browsing forums may cause a terrible hurricane the likes of which has never before been witnessed.

[smudgie]

Silly beggars.

People do stupid and disrespectful things, well then they have to be prepared for the consequences.
I am not saying lock them up, but that is up to the law of that land I suppose.
Perhaps a public apology showing some genuine remorse and then a lifetime ban from the country would do the job.
Depends how deep the feelings go for the Malaysian people and how offended they are.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

People never stop banging on about people coming here and respecting our traditions, should we not show the same respect abroad even if we don't believe in it? This would be the equivalent of stripping off in Westminster abbey

Someone owns Westminster abbey, as far as I know nobody owns a mountain.

[Amy Jade]

Yes her being naked caused an earthquake. We all have different cultures it seems put apparently politicians being lying ***** is a universal thing.

[Kizzy]

Give them their buffalo and that's that, this time next year it will just be interesting dinner party conversation.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Someone owns Westminster abbey, as far as I know nobody owns a mountain.

The locals say the Gods own it.


She is Well Educated


Lock Her Up
It will do her good

[Mokka]

Canadian siblings, twins, from near where I live, are also being prevented from leaving the country and may still be charged...

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/wo...aving-malaysia

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

The locals say the Gods own it.


She is Well Educated


Lock Her Up
It will do her good

Well they don't, it's just people laying claim to things and imposing rules in the name of religion again.
Locking up innocent people does no good.

[Jack_]

People should be able to get naked wherever they want (with very few exceptions) so long as they aren't harassing any other person without their consent in the process.

Regardless, I'm with Toy Soldier, arresting them for this is utterly ridiculous.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Someone owns Westminster abbey, as far as I know nobody owns a mountain.

Not really the point, its about respecting cultures regardless of who owns what

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Like I said, send them home, ban them from the country. That would be appropriate. Locking naive young people up and potentially endangering them by suggesting that they have effectively committed manslaughter, because they angered fictional mountain deities, is absolutely not the appropriate response.

Young people travelling to far-flung places need to be a little more grown up and aware of their surroundings Everywhere is not Ibiza. In some places you have to behave a certain way - your actual life may depend on it. And really, if that's not understood they should stay at home. And ridiculing people's religious beliefs because you think it's a bit silly will cut no ice in a prison cell, and don't bother calling the embassy to dig you out because they won't help you.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well they don't, it's just people laying claim to things and imposing rules in the name of religion again.
Locking up innocent people does no good.

No Kizzy
Why do YOU
not get it


Respect the Nations Laws
or you are Stupid
with Respect


She was warned by the Guide "Not To Go Naked"
but she ignored him.
So Lock That Bitch Up

[Crimson Dynamo]

Whilst I agree that when in Rome etc I heard that the fuss is more about politics in that part of the world than fuss, if that makes sense.

The locals should be rounded up and told about plate tectonics. thick twats

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jack_

People should be able to get naked wherever they want (with very few exceptions) so long as they aren't harassing any other person without their consent in the process.

Regardless, I'm with Toy Soldier, arresting them for this is utterly ridiculous.

I feel sure this young woman wouldn't have got her kit off in Mecca or in Medina. Have some respect for other cultures or stay at home.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

People should be able to get naked wherever they want (with very few exceptions) so long as they aren't harassing any other person without their consent in the process.

Regardless, I'm with Toy Soldier, arresting them for this is utterly ridiculous.

Dumb
Its against their Laws

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by arista

Dumb
Its against their Laws

And? It's against our laws too, doesn't mean it's not a stupid law

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

And? It's against our laws too, doesn't mean it's not a stupid law

Yes the Naked Rambler of England is in Jail.


Its Normal


What Planet are you on?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Harry from Big Brother will have caused quite a few earthquakes

will she never learn?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Actually I noticed a big crack in Sams bed last night....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Young people travelling to far-flung places need to be a little more grown up and aware of their surroundings Everywhere is not Ibiza. In some places you have to behave a certain way - your actual life may depend on it. And really, if that's not understood they should stay at home. And ridiculing people's religious beliefs because you think it's a bit silly will cut no ice in a prison cell, and don't bother calling the embassy to dig you out because they won't help you.

Yes I accept that all of this is accurate, however, that doesn't make it right nor stop it from being utterly ludicrous. I have always been and will always be of the opinion that stupid things are not made any less stupid by the mere fact of being believed by lots of people.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes I accept that all of this is accurate, however, that doesn't make it right nor stop it from being utterly ludicrous. I have always been and will always be of the opinion that stupid things are not made any less stupid by the mere fact of being believed by lots of people.

Unless it's something that you yourself believe in, of course. Then everyone else must accept it as right even if they think it's stupid. If hundreds of thousands of people believe something and you think it's stupid, you don't have the right to override their feelings with yours.

People of other cultures have foibles, customs and idiosyncrasies and if you want to travel to their country and experience them, then be respectful of those people. If not, stay at home.