[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Actually that's the best thing this show could do tbh

That talk makes me laugh because barely anyone on BBUK plays a game, but since people are so intent on discussing it every year, they may as well turn it into the game that it should be

But there's already a BBUSA that does that, wouldn't you rather a variety and not two shows that are carbon copies of eachother?

Also, in reply to your last post to me, it does sound like, especially after reading this post that you're trying to change it into something different just like you accused people of doing yesterday regarding The X Factor

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Also, I don't see why BBUK should do things like that to morph into its American cousin.

Keep BBUK as BBUK please.

As if the "He/She is playing a game" talk isn't tedious enough.

I'm good with housemates making strategic nominations (like, nominating on the basis of who they think could win, etc), I actually think having more housemates who recognise that it's a competition and aren't afraid of admitting they want to win would be a good thing.

But I don't want open nomination discussion allowed and voting alliances formed, etc. I enjoy BBUS, but as a separate show entirely.

[Liam-]

They allowed people to discuss nominations in BB13 and look how that turned out, absolutely disastrous, the rule about discussing noms should stay as it and they should start enforcing it more severely.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But there's already a BBUSA that does that, wouldn't you rather a variety and not two shows that are carbon copies of eachother?

Also, in reply to your last post to me, it does sound like, especially after reading this post that you're trying to change it into something different just like you accused people of doing yesterday regarding The X Factor

Not really anymore, no. I've had ten years now of watching the BBUK format, it's been good, I've enjoyed it, but let's be honest the show is going down the pan now and is a ten week long mishmash of rule changes and manipulation that doesn't make any sense and is planned hours in advance, and they're most likely never going to go back to the straightforward BBUK format, and the ratings are plummeting, so they may as well adopt something different for a trial run.

Also I'd like to see British people playing that game and I'd like to be given the chance to play myself. The majority of people cast for BBUK in its current state completely oppose the idea of 'playing a game' (for some reason) so if it actually became a game, it'd be interesting to see what they would do about it, who would lie to each other, who would struggle, etc etc.

I don't really understand your last paragraph but if I do then I never accused anyone of trying to change X Factor, just said that this is the way X Factor is and that if people don't agree with the principle of it favouring entertainment over talent, then I don't see why they'd watch? If they want to that's fine, just seems a bit strange to me.

Again, the same doesn't apply here for me because A) the nominations discussion rule is so lax anyway and noms barely ever happen that it's not so much of an issue and B) they will never adopt the US format, so I'll just have to deal with the show how it is, but we can all dream can't we?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Liam-

They allowed people to discuss nominations in BB13 and look how that turned out, absolutely disastrous, the rule about discussing noms should stay as it and they should start enforcing it more severely.

I personally found the first two weeks of BB13 the best and thought it went downhill after that

The insiders/outsiders strategising (especially Lydia ) was thoroughly interesting and entertaining

[Liam-]

I found it deathly boring and incredibly tedious, just like the rest of the series, the only good thing that came out of it was sneaky goddess Lydia, but that's it for me

[Marsh.]

I find BB as a gameshow completely dull though which is probably 60% of the reason I hated power trip as, whilst some game tactics is fine having endless episodes of theorising and plotting is tedious to me. It's why I'm not a big fan of this week's twist.

I prefer watching strangers trying to live with one another and letting natural dynamics form rather than allowing them to form around a daft twist involving cardboard sets and the worst voiceovers I've ever heard on television.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Not really anymore, no. I've had ten years now of watching the BBUK format, it's been good, I've enjoyed it, but let's be honest the show is going down the pan now and is a ten week long mishmash of rule changes and manipulation that doesn't make any sense and is planned hours in advance, and they're most likely never going to go back to the straightforward BBUK format, and the ratings are plummeting, so they may as well adopt something different for a trial run.

Also I'd like to see British people playing that game and I'd like to be given the chance to play myself. The majority of people cast for BBUK in its current state completely oppose the idea of 'playing a game' (for some reason) so if it actually became a game, it'd be interesting to see what they would do about it, who would lie to each other, who would struggle, etc etc.

I don't really understand your last paragraph but if I do then I never accused anyone of trying to change X Factor, just said that this is the way X Factor is and that if people don't agree with the principle of it favouring entertainment over talent, then I don't see why they'd watch? If they want to that's fine, just seems a bit strange to me.

Again, the same doesn't apply here for me because A) the nominations discussion rule is so lax anyway and noms barely ever happen that it's not so much of an issue and B) they will never adopt the US format, so I'll just have to deal with the show how it is, but we can all dream can't we?

Jack i have no problem with you expressing your opinion about wanting to change the format of Big Brother (eventhough I disagree with you) but you can't in all honesty say that you wanting to change Big Brother UK into Big Brother USA is in anyway different to people wanting X Factor to be a bit more like The Voice lol it's the same difference but instead of letting people express changes they'd like to see on X Factor you tell them they should watch a different show.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Jack i have no problem with you expressing your opinion about wanting to change the format of Big Brother (eventhough I disagree with you) but you can't in all honesty say that you wanting to change Big Brother UK into Big Brother USA is in anyway different to people wanting X Factor to be a bit more like The Voice lol it's the same difference but instead of letting people express changes they'd like to see on X Factor you tell them they should watch a different show.

There is though, because the people in that thread were pretending that X Factor does favour talent over entertainment when it doesn't, I pointed out that it didn't and said that if people don't agree with that in principle I don't get why they'd bother watching.

This is different because I know full well we're never going to adopt the US format and can put up with the show as it is, I'm just hypothesising what I think would be good.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I find BB as a gameshow completely dull though which is probably 60% of the reason I hated power trip as, whilst some game tactics is fine having endless episodes of theorising and plotting is tedious to me. It's why I'm not a big fan of this week's twist.

I prefer watching strangers trying to live with one another and letting natural dynamics form rather than allowing them to form around a daft twist involving cardboard sets and the worst voiceovers I've ever heard on television.

This made me laugh but I don't actually know what you're referring to

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Jack_

There is though, because the people in that thread were pretending that X Factor does favour talent over entertainment when it doesn't, I pointed out that it didn't and said that if people don't agree with that in principle I don't get why they'd bother watching.

This is different because I know full well we're never going to adopt the US format and can put up with the show as it is, I'm just hypothesising what I think would be good.

I never once said they favour talent over entertainment, I said I favoured talent over entertainment.

You're basically telling people that you're right and everyone else who has an opinion is wrong and should just accept it or move on.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I never once said they favour talent over entertainment, I said I favoured talent over entertainment.

You're basically telling people that you're right and everyone else who has an opinion is wrong and should just accept it or move on.

Yes you did:

Originally Posted by Liam-

No, The X Factor is about talent, not judge drama.

Originally Posted by Liam-

it's a talent show

If you prefer talent over entertainment, that's fine, that is an opinion and you're entitled to it. But what I took from the discussion yesterday is that you were trying to say X Factor does favour talent over entertainment, and I was arguing that it doesn't, because it doesn't. If that's not what you think then really the discussion shouldn't have even happened (though I still think that if you prefer talent over entertainment then there's no point watching X Factor, but if it doesn't bother people that much and they can put up with it then I guess there's no issue).

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

There is though, because the people in that thread were pretending that X Factor does favour talent over entertainment when it doesn't, I pointed out that it didn't and said that if people don't agree with that in principle I don't get why they'd bother watching.

This is different because I know full well we're never going to adopt the US format and can put up with the show as it is, I'm just hypothesising what I think would be good.

People watching X Factor can obviously put up with how it is as well though otherwise they wouldn't actually be watching. there's nothing wrong with wanting some changes to a show you love though, is there? For me I hated how it was run enough to stop watching just like people have stopped watching BB because stuff going on was enough to make them not enjoy it anymore. At the end of the day if people stop enjoying either show, they will stop watching it, until then though why not voice their opinions on changes they would like?

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes you did:


If you prefer talent over entertainment, that's fine, that is an opinion and you're entitled to it. But what I took from the discussion yesterday is that you were trying to say X Factor does favour talent over entertainment, and I was arguing that it doesn't, because it doesn't. If that's not what you think then really the discussion shouldn't have even happened (though I still think that if you prefer talent over entertainment then there's no point watching X Factor, but if it doesn't bother people that much and they can put up with it then I guess there's no issue).

I always saw xfactor as an entertainment show where they focus on people who have star quality. I mean for example Fleur East she didn't have the best voice but she was the star of the series.She is what X factor was all about. Why? because she entertained us with her performances.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Talking about noms should not be against the rules anyway

Yes it should. This show is not strategy-based unlike BBUS/BBCan

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes you did:





If you prefer talent over entertainment, that's fine, that is an opinion and you're entitled to it. But what I took from the discussion yesterday is that you were trying to say X Factor does favour talent over entertainment, and I was arguing that it doesn't, because it doesn't. If that's not what you think then really the discussion shouldn't have even happened (though I still think that if you prefer talent over entertainment then there's no point watching X Factor, but if it doesn't bother people that much and they can put up with it then I guess there's no issue).

That's not what i meant at all, but now I see your confusion I understand why you were arguing about it now

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Yes it should. This show is not strategy-based unlike BBUS/BBCan

The show would be a lot better if it were strategy based as opposed to the mishmash of made up rules, manipulation, outside contact and embarrassing 'twists' that it is now

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The show would be a lot better if it were strategy based as opposed to the mishmash of made up rules, manipulation, outside contact and embarrassing 'twists' that it is now

I find that funny tbh, because Isn't the American version just as bad, if not worse for nonsensical twists and producer manipulation?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I find that funny tbh, because Isn't the American version just as bad, if not worse for nonsensical twists and producer manipulation?

That's a fair point, but before the manipulation started on BBUS the pure game was a great format. No reason why we couldn't adopt it and drop the manipulation in the process. I mean the manipulation on BBUK is only designed to cause drama in the first place and that format would lend itself to natural drama so

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

This made me laugh but I don't actually know what you're referring to

The time machines, spaceships, bunkers, crypts, power rooms that are part and parcel of BB the last few years.

And the ****ing Iris voiceovers and the sh*tty "another time bomb is about to be used which will change one housemates life FOREVER" that has become common since power trip. Just makes me want to die from embarrassment.