[BigBuk]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, I didn't dislike Marc, not all the time anyway and I did find him interesting to watch but you have to remember that's what he does, he comes from that Reality Show Tallifornia so creating drama is what he's been paid to do, this was probably a walk in the park for him

As long as someone was creating drama in that house I'm not going to complain, Marc saved this series imo. I don't mind people getting on and all that but at least make it fun to watch which it wasn't before he came in.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by BigBuk

That's true but BB didn't know that Pauline would have given Helen a free pass.

That makes no difference, the fact is she did give it to Helen and this is what happened. I don't think Helen would have been so vile and nasty to people if she had no final pass and if she was she'd probably have been evicted in the first couple of weeks and none of us would be here talking about her now

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by BigBuk

As long as someone was creating drama in that house I'm not going to complain, Marc saved this series imo. I don't mind people getting on and all that but at least make it fun to watch which it wasn't before he came in.

Again I disagree, I was enjoying the show before he came in, there was plenty going on before they kicked out half the house

[Withano]

Originally Posted by BigBuk

All three of those HMs were different, you cannot tell me Marc and especially Dexter were the same kind of HM as Helen.

Marc is a wind up merchant, Helen spoke her mind and was argumentative but I can see her good qualities as well and I don't even know what Dexter was, even after that series was finished I was still confused about Dexter but I liked him, he was entertaining too.

All 3 of those HMs are different.

Marc and Helen are incredibly similar, all they ever did was argue. Dexter had a bit of substance though, I agree. Arguments are not something I find entertaining, three arguments a day started by the same person was draining. Marc brought nothing positive to the house and it's good that he's no longer in it for the sake of the show. I found him entertaining in his first week, he changed dramatically into a one-sided shouty machine and that is so tedious.

In my eyes; Loud noises plus lots of airtime does not equal entertainment, you can tell me that I'm wrong but I get the feeling that you disagree...? Thats all Marc and Helen ever was..

[BigBuk]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That makes no difference, the fact is she did give it to Helen and this is what happened. I don't think Helen would have been so vile and nasty to people if she had no final pass and if she was she'd probably have been evicted in the first couple of weeks and none of us would be here talking about her now

See I think people over exaggerate calling her vile and nasty, I can only remember her once getting personal with a HM which was Matthew and he went personal before she did (not condoning it) but it wasn't as if she personally attacked Matthew out of nowhere. Bar that I can't think of anything that would warrant vile and nasty. She may of I'm not certain. I can't remember if she called Jale a slug too, think it may of been Ash though, that too was out of line if it was her. She was argumentative that's it during that series imo.

[BigBuk]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Again I disagree, I was enjoying the show before he came in, there was plenty going on before they kicked out half the house

I disagree but thats my opinion.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by BigBuk

See I think people over exaggerate calling her vile and nasty, I can only remember her once getting personal with a HM which was Matthew and he went personal before she did (not condoning it) but it wasn't as if she personally attacked Matthew out of nowhere. Bar that I can't think of anything that would warrant vile and nasty. She may of I'm not certain. I can't remember if she called Jale a slug too, think it may of been Ash though, that too was out of line if it was her. She was argumentative that's it during that series imo.

She picked on Jale alot, then she picked on Christopher and then there was the Matthew thing much later on.

[BigBuk]

Originally Posted by Withano

Marc and Helen are incredibly similar, all they ever did was argue. Dexter had a bit of substance though, I agree. Arguments are not something I find entertaining, three arguments a day started by the same person was draining. Marc brought nothing positive to the house and it's good that he's no longer in it for the sake of the show. I found him entertaining in his first week, he changed dramatically into a one-sided shouty machine and that is so tedious.

In my eyes; Loud noises plus lots of airtime does not equal entertainment, you can tell me that I'm wrong but I get the feeling that you disagree...? Thats all Marc and Helen ever was..

The difference between Helen and Marc's arguments were that Danny was constantly looking to argue with Marc the moment the slightest opportunity arose, Danny went looking for them. When Marc asked Nick did he want to win is a perfect example, there was no need for Danny to get involved but yet he did. Marc's argument with Aisleyne too, he was sat there during the BB Hotel task keeping his character as it was part of the task and Aisleyne kept taking digs at him before he went in on her. The other arguments he had was when HMs took his jokes too seriously, rightly or wrongly. The Chloe one about an STD for an example, it was an obvious joke, people have different tastes on what's funny and what's not, matter of your personality. You can either choose to be offended or not, in that instance they chose to be offended, then an argument broke out. (that's not me condoning Marc but the HMs chose to turn it into an argument)

For me his arguments came about in a lot different ways than Helens, Marc didn't initiate them as much as people think, the majority of Helens I'd say she probably did. Dexter too was in a lot of arguments but I felt like he was an easy target to the house and he got a lot of undeserved criticism.

[BigBuk]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She picked on Jale alot, then she picked on Christopher and then there was the Matthew thing much later on.

Yes I agree Jale but personally I'd say that was more Pauline, I can't remember what Pauline said about her, something to do with her VT if I can remember but she planted seeds in the HMs minds about her before Jale even had time to unpack her items.

I can't remember what happened with Christopher being totally honest.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by BigBuk

Yes I agree Jale but personally I'd say that was more Pauline, I can't remember what Pauline said about her, something to do with her VT if I can remember but she planted seeds in the HMs minds about her before Jale even had time to unpack her items.

I can't remember what happened with Christopher being totally honest.

No it certainly wasn't more Pauline, Helen was awful to Jale, she was the one who started calling her Slugworth and made a point of leaving the room when jale entered and letting her know that's why she was leaving the room because of her as well. Christopher she nicknamed "the Wasp" she would be stood talking to her posse and Christopher would walk past and she'd make buzzing noises and laugh as he walked by, again making sure he knew that he was being mocked. Vile woman.

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by Elyzabeth

And the public was so unbelievably stupid

as to vote him out???

Can't believe it....

The show is now a total bore with [B]a few highly boring people....

ZZzzzzz

going to sleep[/B]

Great eighth post.

The GBP know best. Marc was yesterdays news. Get over it and move on.

[BigBuk]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No it certainly wasn't more Pauline, Helen was awful to Jale, she was the one who started calling her Slugworth and made a point of leaving the room when jale entered and letting her know that's why she was leaving the room because of her as well. Christopher she nicknamed "the Wasp" she would be stood talking to her posse and Christopher would walk past and she'd make buzzing noises and laugh as he walked by, again making sure he knew that he was being mocked. Vile woman.

Pauline called her fat and greedy, made a big massive deal about her taking too much Chicken ( she took a normal amount ) then went into the bedroom and started slating her to the rest of the house and was it not Pauline who said she didn't want to be in the same room as her? Swear that was her. I still cannot remember the Christopher saga so I'll take your word for it. Still wouldn't class that as vile, making a few stupid noises is immature and silly if anything imo.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by BigBuk

Pauline called her fat and greedy, made a big massive deal about her taking too much Chicken ( she took a normal amount ) then went into the bedroom and started slating her to the rest of the house and was it not Pauline who said she didn't want to be in the same room as her? Swear that was her. I still cannot remember the Christopher saga so I'll take your word for it. Still wouldn't class that as vile, making a few stupid noises is immature and silly if anything imo.

Yeah pauline treated Jale badly but Helen did equally. Helen was a bully towards both her and Christopher, the example I gave you was just one thing I thought of off the top of my head, that example imo is a classic example of playground bullying. Helen is a nasty piece of work

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by Withano

Your favourites are Marc, Helen and Dexter, would you have been disappointed with natural entertainment

**** me. What a trio of scum

[BigBuk]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah pauline treated Jale badly but Helen did equally. Helen was a bully towards both her and Christopher, the example I gave you was just one thing I thought of off the top of my head, that example imo is a classic example of playground bullying. Helen is a nasty piece of work

Helen showed off her nice side too in the house but yes I can see why people like yourself do dislike her.

[BigBuk]

Originally Posted by abhorson

**** me. What a trio of scum

I could maybe understand Helen to a degree but what have Marc and Dexter done to be called Scum?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by BigBuk

For me his arguments came about in a lot different ways than Helens, Marc didn't initiate them as much as people think, the majority of Helens I'd say she probably did. Dexter too was in a lot of arguments but I felt like he was an easy target to the house and he got a lot of undeserved criticism.

Still, in reply the op about how the public can vote out Marc, the obvious answer is that most people do not find this behaviour entertainment, I understand that you do and that's fine but it's not really hard to understand that a constant string of petty arguments (and nothing else) is the opposite to entertainment to most people. To me, this is all Marc done for the majority of his stay and it was incredibly boring to me and many others.

[Robertocarlo]

I am lost now without Marc as he was a hard act to follow. I'm sort of liking Joel and would prefer him to win over the rest of the HMs.

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by johnx

This week he'd have come into his own. Bring him back one last time!???

which translates into...........mark woulda ruined it for everyone else

.........let him be forgotten

Mark L

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by BigBuk

This.

It was a decent episode, would have been a lot worse if BB didn't get involved.

All the drama came from BB, the noms twist, giving Joel a Ł2500 Pizza and the HMs rebelling like a bunch of kids down to BB punishing them.

If there wasn't noms yesterday where would the so called "entertainment" come from? I sure can't see it.

BB's job is to put them in situations that are entertaining. Glad the are finally giving that a go this series.

[BigBuk]

Originally Posted by ebandit

which translates into...........mark woulda ruined it for everyone else

.........let him be forgotten

Mark L

Would have ruined what? The prize fund went down 100k, they've all had their suitcases removed and Chloe, Jack, Christian and Harry have all been arguing since he's left. They've ruined it for themselves.

[andybigbro]

I voted him out

[BigBuk]

Originally Posted by jaxie

BB's job is to put them in situations that are entertaining. Glad the are finally giving that a go this series.

They've been doing that for years, you've probably noticed it more because minus Joel and Harry the rest aren't even worth mentioning as they're all boring so when they aren't as boring you've noticed what BB has done.

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by BigBuk

Would have ruined what?

ruined it for the majority of viewers ( those that could not vote mark out

fast enough.......................)

remaining HMs are now more entertaining / interesting

without mark...................

+ marks continued presence in the BB house would have ruined the rest

of my life..........what little time i have left.......

Mark L

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by ebandit

ruined it for the majority of viewers ( those that could not vote mark out

fast enough.......................)

remaining HMs are now more entertaining / interesting

without mark...................

+ marks continued presence in the BB house would have ruined the rest

of my life..........what little time i have left.......

Mark L

I like your short but worthwhile points.