[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I think the most important parts of those stories were the morals.. not their content. And tbf, it makes the book a bit more interesting anyway

As a child i enjoyed reading the Viz comic book but do not take it as factual? Are all slags fat? No. They too are JUST stories btw.

[bots]

The argument being made by the OP seems to relate to the fact that a historical book appears to contain inaccuracies if examined with today's knowledge. Should the book be re-written making it more accurate?

My answer would be no, because it would then no longer be an historical work.

The other aspect is that in today's newspapers do we regard every word written to be the absolute truth? No, of course we don't. It is up to the reader to form their own opinion based on the knowledge that they have. Why should any religious text be treated any differently.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Always, remember they ply you with vino in church too.

Which church is this sweetie?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I remember going to sunday school and being told that 5000 people were fed with only 5 loaves and two fish. Coming from a large family i knew at 6yrs of age that this was simply not true. For one my brother always had 5 fish fingers and 6 slices of bread and thats from a family of nine kids at dinner time. So do the math.

I don't believe for a second you've been to Sunday school or even stepped foot in a church.

Your little anecdotes are so transparent.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Read the Bible.It's in there.

Would you like to provide an extract because so far you're not even passing lesson one of troll academy.

Drop the cliches and delve into some substance if you wish your thread to fit into serious debates.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I agree with you on that. But it is defo in there as is the talking snake and the man who lived inside a whale at the bottom of the ocean for 3 days and another man who parted the sea by waving his hands at the ocean.

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

If tomorrows headlines front page said...Kerry Katona slept for 3 days inside a whale in the north sea at the bottom of the ocean and lived to tell the tale we would all laugh.Even with picture evidence we would still laugh about it BUT remove KERRY KATONAS name from that headline and replace it with JESUS and people would take it as truth.

I'm so glad you know how to use google but I'm afraid that doesn't warrant a thread in serious debates.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Livia

You're all free to believe what you believe. Shalom, people.

..Shalom baby....

[Ashley.]

Santa is nothing to do with religion lmao, it's an ancient myth that parents comply with once a year to give their children something to smile about.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Quasar

It should be wiped from civilizations in every way.

You Are Most Wise

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I've never met a person who thinks the world is flat.. have you?

Just look on Youtube.People have made vids on the world being flat.We're all being lied to yada yada yada.Not sure if they're religion based or not,I did'nt watch enough of it.
There are people who believe anything on there.There are people who believe the moon landings were fake etc.It's a crazy place.

[Northern Monkey]

I think people should be free to believe whatever they choose.We in the west are supposed to live in a free society after all.
When people are forced to believe a certain ideology(*cough Muslims in Arabic countries*) then i have a problem with it.
Also when religion guides people to kill people and blow **** up then i also have a problem with it.
Or when religion stirs up hatred for peoples sexuality or way of life(*cough Islam*) then i have a problem with it.
One mans religion should never infringe on anybody else.It's a personal thing.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Just look on Youtube.People have made vids on the world being flat.We're all being lied to yada yada yada.Not sure if they're religion based or not,I did'nt watch enough of it.
There are people who believe anything on there.There are people who believe the moon landings were fake etc.It's a crazy place.

Fecking lemmings

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by arista

Fecking lemmings

I see conspiracy theories as a replacement for religion in alot of people.Some people just are'nt content with the status quo.There has to be something else.Something deeper than boring old reality.

Edit:I saw a vid yesterday and there are actually people who believe The Matrix is real and that we live in a holographic reality.I rest my case.

[lostalex]

no. religions should all face constant public ridicule. Watching the pope visit america i thought it was the most ridiculous spectacle i've seen in a lone time.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I see conspiracy theories as a replacement for religion in alot of people.Some people just are'nt content with the status quo.There has to be something else.Something deeper than boring old reality.

Edit:I saw a vid yesterday and there are actually people who believe The Matrix is real and that we live in a holographic reality.I rest my case.

This is definitely true. It's all cult thinking.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Never had wine in church, each to their own, faith can provide a huge comfort to some, and if people are non believers I have no issue with that, personally I fall between the two, don't particularly have a strong faith but not exactly a non believer as I do like some aspects of Church services.

I agree totally.

I also think religion has its place, and is relevant to millions even in the UK, and will be for generations to come too, even if some think or would wish that wasn't the case.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree totally.

I also think religion has its place, and is relevant to millions even in the UK, and will be for generations to come too, even if some think or would wish that wasn't the case.

it doesn't really have a place though... what place do you think it has? all religions teach hate and racism and homophobia and sexism and segregation and above all, they teach false facts that are easily disproved by science... so what place do religions really have other than in history books?

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

all religions teach hate and racism and homophobia and sexism and segregation and above all, they teach false facts that are easily disproved by science

They also teach people not to commit crimes and do right by themselves and other people. Only discussing the negatives doesn't mean that the positives don't exist. Religion, in some cases, have actually made people better. I can assure you that the crime rate would probably be more than it is should religion not have existed.

I'm not religious but I don't ridicule people who are for going down a certain path that is not my own.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I think people should be free to believe whatever they choose.We in the west are supposed to live in a free society after all.
When people are forced to believe a certain ideology(*cough Muslims in Arabic countries*) then i have a problem with it.
Also when religion guides people to kill people and blow **** up then i also have a problem with it.
Or when religion stirs up hatred for peoples sexuality or way of life(*cough Islam*) then i have a problem with it.
One mans religion should never infringe on anybody else.It's a personal thing.

Are you including the reformation in this?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by lostalex

it doesn't really have a place though... what place do you think it has? all religions teach hate and racism and homophobia and sexism and segregation and above all, they teach false facts that are ears.y disproved by science... so what place do religions really have other than in history books?

To those who believe and are a strong member of whatever religion they belong to, a great deal.

Who am I to tell anyone what they should believe, you are spot on as to religions in their doctrine and teaching that have corrupted even and been guilty of many bad things too.

However, faith has brought and given strength to many in their lives and to all those people that place for religion and faith is often vital.

Many fail to understand or even try to understand how so much comfort can be given to those with faith from that faith, just as to those with strong faith, where some can often fail to understand why those against religions cannot understand that too.

So for me that is why it has a place and is and should be still relevant.

[Crimson Dynamo]

keep it out of schools, out of politics and if people want to believe things like this, principally because it what their parents told them, grand

It should get no favour nor respect unless earned like anything else


and in schools it can be covered in perhaps 2 history lessons only.


simples

[Kizzy]

I have an unshakable faith, yet I find it almost impossible to forgive the atrocities committed in the name of religion, or by those using religion as a cover for their deviancy, it's this that colours my view.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I have an unshakable faith, yet I find it almost impossible to forgive the atrocities committed in the name of religion, or by those using religion as a cover for their deviancy, it's this that colours my view.

The fact that you can manipulate it to any means (as witnessed now and before) is the reason. The fact that no gods exist means that you have no come back and any nutter can just say "yes but it is what god wants"

You can also use this to persuade suicide bombers with the carrot of heaven and of course, again, no comeback.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

I live in an islamic country and i am in minority. Since 3rd/4th grade i have had religion lessons every year and in turkey there are LOTS of religion schools and it does bother me because they are showing it down our throats. Also in june during lgbt pride they wrote pretty nasty words online and they stopped the pride because it happened during their religious holiday. And when it is time for their holidays we never disrespected them like they disrespect us.

It bothers me the way they are living their religion because they have no right to make other people uncomfortable because they are diffrent. So i think they should remove religion lessons from schools specially from middle school because young teenagers get manipulated and they dont decide what they are going to believe.

Religions are supposed to make people happy and they are supposed to guide people to do good things, they are not supposed to make people hate each other and make the world hell for the others. (ahem muslim countries)

With that being said religion can be a good thing or a bad thing and i feel like if i attack people or look down on people/religions then i am no better than them. I dont want anyone to feel bad or looked down based on who they are or what they believe.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MelihV

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

I live in an islamic country and i am in minority. Since 3rd/4th grade i have had religion lessons every year and in turkey there are LOTS of religion schools and it does bother me because they are showing it down our throats. Also in june during lgbt pride they wrote pretty nasty words online and they stopped the pride because it happened during their religious holiday. And when it is time for their holidays we never disrespected them like they disrespect us.

It bothers me the way they are living their religion because they have no right to make other people uncomfortable because they are diffrent. So i think they should remove religion lessons from schools specially from middle school because young teenagers get manipulated and they dont decide what they are going to believe.

Religions are supposed to make people happy and they are supposed to guide people to do good things, they are not supposed to make people hate each other and make the world hell for the others. (ahem muslim countries)

With that being said religion can be a good thing or a bad thing and i feel like if i attack people or look down on people/religions then i am no better than them. I dont want anyone to feel bad or looked down based on who they are or what they believe.

Very nicely put