[Northern Monkey]

ISIS might not be the only islamic extremists but that does'nt make the others 'good'.Jabhat al-nusra,Al Qaeda and many 'organisations' in Africa are evil and have many supporters who would mean to do us harm if they got the chance.All these groups have many supporters and followers.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

ISIS might not be the only islamic extremists but that does'nt make the others 'good'.Jabhat al-nusra,Al Qaeda and many 'organisations' in Africa are evil and have many supporters who would mean to do us harm if they got the chance.All these groups have many supporters and followers.

I think Obama and Cameron would disagree provided they are fighting against ISIS.

[lostalex]

i don't like the way most people seem to be framing the whole thing as muslims against republicans... if you don't like muslims then you must like the republicans, or if you don't like republicans then you must support muslims...

i hate both.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i don't like the way most people seem to be framing the whole thing as muslims against republicans... if you don't like muslims then you must like the republicans, or if you don't like republicans then you must support muslims...

i hate both.

You're preaching to the Choir here Lostalex, I totally agree with you both organisations are a disgrace to me with looneys being responsible for so many crimes in the world.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i don't like the way most people seem to be framing the whole thing as muslims against republicans... if you don't like muslims then you must like the republicans, or if you don't like republicans then you must support muslims...

i hate both.

You hate an entire 1.6 billion people on the basis of their religion? Is that an actual statement that an actual person sat and took the time to type out?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

You hate an entire 1.6 billion people on the basis of their religion? Is that an actual statement that an actual person sat and took the time to type out?

I hate the ideology, yes.

just like i hate racists because i hate their ideology. but i've met some very racist people that i like very much, and i'm sure there are some very muslim people that i would get along with fine, and i'm sure i could like some of them as individuals.

Some of my best friends have been white skinheads, some of my best friends have been black baptist christians. i despise both of their ideologies, the skinheads for being racists, and the black baptists for being homophobic.

I don't see a conflict with me hating an ideology, but liking an individual who has that ideology.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I hate the ideology, yes.

just like i hate racists because i hate their ideology. but i've met some very racist people that i like very much, and i'm sure there are some very muslim people that i would get along with fine, and i'm sure i could like some of them as individuals.

Some of my best friends have been white skinheads, some of my best friends have been black baptist christians. i despise both of their ideologies, the skinheads for being racists, and the black baptists for being homophobic.

I don't see a conflict with me hating an ideology, but liking an individual who has that ideology.

You didn't say you hated the ideology of Islam in that post, you specifically said you hated muslims.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

You didn't say you hated the ideology of Islam in that post, you specifically said you hated muslims.

don't be pedantic, i also said that i hate skinheads and black baptist christians, but i said i like some individuals in those ideologies too. if you can't figure out what i mean, then whatever.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I hate the ideology, yes.

just like i hate racists because i hate their ideology. but i've met some very racist people that i like very much, and i'm sure there are some very muslim people that i would get along with fine, and i'm sure i could like some of them as individuals.

Some of my best friends have been white skinheads, some of my best friends have been black baptist christians. i despise both of their ideologies, the skinheads for being racists, and the black baptists for being homophobic.

I don't see a conflict with me hating an ideology, but liking an individual who has that ideology.

I agree with this, I've had Muslim friends in the past, but I hate their ideology.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Father Mockmas

I agree with this, I've had Muslim friends in the past, but I hate their ideology.

OOOH you peaked my interest Mock
.
Mock what part of this ideology that a third of the planet hold is it that you profess to hate? Do you hate it or do you just not understand it and just form opinions based on the last thing you read? These "Muslim friends" what was it that made you just cut them out of your life?
Im curious i dont think they existed did they?

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Father Mockmas

I agree with this, I've had Muslim friends in the past, but I hate their ideology.

Have you read the Koran though? It's not all "kill the gays" and "enslave the women" you know..

[Northern Monkey]

I do believe alot of people in Middle Eastern countries especially do hold extremist views.However it is not entirely their fault as individuals.They are surrounded by and brought up on these views.If you were to take most of these people away from this enviroment and hang out with them you would find much in common with them and probably have a good laugh.Unfortunatley though this won't happen for the majority of us and them.When these extremist views are left to culminate into an ideology and into the rebelious stage of teenhood and then adulthood and these people live within the confines of this ideology it is often too late.These values are deeply ingrained and very difficult to remove.Even if it is not acted upon these people will live their life with these extreme views and a hatred of any non Muslim.Not because they are intrinsically evil but because of the backwards ideology they had drilled into them.We are all human and in a perfect world we would all live in peace.Unfortunately it is'nt the Jeremy Corbynist perfect world and we are divided by these ideologies.So i do believe a very large proportion of Muslims do hold anti western extreme views.Not because they are inhuman or evil but because of the enviroment they were born into.Some of them are obviously evil but they are the minority who can influence the young,naive and easily lead.

[DemolitionRed]

I think extremism is more a western bred thing, at least regarding potential terrorist attacks on our home turf. Muslim kids that are born here have looked on as the west dropped bombs on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and now Syria. They have watched the terrorist atrocities in New York and the more recent ones in Paris and although I believe the majority will of looked on in horror and dismay, some, perhaps many have felt a great sense of not belonging. Can you imagine living in a land where the nationals neither trusted or wanted you here? I can't.

I don't think kids here become radicalised because of religion but because it gives them a sense of belonging. The more we ostracise them, the more likely they will radicalise.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I think extremism is more a western bred thing, at least regarding potential terrorist attacks on our home turf. Muslim kids that are born here have looked on as the west dropped bombs on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and now Syria. They have watched the terrorist atrocities in New York and the more recent ones in Paris and although I believe the majority will of looked on in horror and dismay, some, perhaps many have felt a great sense of not belonging. Can you imagine living in a land where the nationals neither trusted or wanted you here? I can't.

I don't think kids here become radicalised because of religion but because it gives them a sense of belonging. The more we ostracise them, the more likely they will radicalise.

This would imply that most extremists live here in the west.Which i don't think is true due to the very large percentage of muslims who hold these views.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This would imply that most extremists live here in the west.Which i don't think is true due to the very large percentage of muslims who hold these views.

No, what I'm saying is, extremists that could potentially be a threat to us re- future terrorist acts are the ones born and living here and not the ones coming in on boats.

[bots]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

No, what I'm saying is, extremists that could potentially be a threat to us re- future terrorist acts are the ones born and living here and not the ones coming in on boats.

That wasn't the case in Paris though, so its not something that can be said with any certainty. Admittedly we have better controls here than they have in France, but the possibility still exists.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

That wasn't the case in Paris though, so its not something that can be said with any certainty. Admittedly we have better controls here than they have in France, but the possibility still exists.

Of all the terrorists in the Paris shootings, only two were from the middle east. The rest were born here in the west.

[Scarlett.]

90-100% of statistics are pulled out of ones own arse.

[Vicky.]

I highly doubt it

[Kizzy]

Thirty per cent of Republicans in a poll said that the national security threat posed by Agrabah, the fictional city in Aladdin, demands a US military intervention.

Let that sink in for a second.

The statistic was found during a survey of 532 Republican primary voters by Public Policy Polling between 16-17 December.

Thirteen per cent of those surveyed said they opposed bombing Agrabah, the city loosely based on Baghdad in the 1993 Disney movie Aladdin, while 57 per cent said they were not sure.

:/

http://i100.independent.co.uk/articl...in--byqyS8_bix

[DemolitionRed]

This was a brilliant experiment with the Quran and the bible.
http://www.upworthy.com/quran-passag...earn-the-truth

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

Cheers for that Red

[DemolitionRed]

wrong thread