[MrWong]

Originally Posted by sampvt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoph...d_alternatives

The above pasted explanation is an insight into why some of us are at loggerheads with each other constantly and it ruins the enjoyment for many.

Older people brought up in places like Ireland, Palestine and even parts of Europe, have long since been indoctrinated with religious and gender issues and it is very hard for these old foggies to change. This is a fact and no matter how hard we try, it isn't that easy. So Just like the younger element of today find it strange that we should feel this way, turn the tables and try to understand that our view of your views are just as hard to swallow.

Example....My father was a staunch Orange man in Ulster and he tried to rear me with hatred for all things catholic. Did he succeed, no he didn't because to his dying day, he never knew my wife of 42 years was indeed catholic. We chose to keep this from him but my change was reached over many years. The same teachings regarding homosexuals is still ingrained into many older people and our thoughts on certain homosexual activities is harder to swallow than the views my kids have, but we are no less responsible for our actions or reactions due to the way we were raised and taught.

In years to come, the youth of today will have serious misgivings on certain political or religious practices in their old age and will maybe begin to understand how the world operates. Try telling a fundamentalist Muslim extremist that Christianity is the way to go and no matter how modern he is, he will go ape at your suggestion but if he is gay he will never accept a homophobes views like we are expecting him to accept Christians views.

I guess what I am trying to say is that we all should have a large degree of latitude against ach other and be safe in the knowledge that if you think someone os wrong for his views, he might be equally just as correct to like or dislike your views. There is no wrong or right in PC matters, it is the individuals own perception of the rules of the game that causes discernment, so lighten up guys, cut the other side a bit of slack and bypass anything that might not atone to your own particular views or personal beliefs.

I am not homophobic in any way, but my mind, gut and eyes will never accept the sight of 2 men kissing, so if that makes me a homophobe, then the world is truly a sad place to live. On the other side of the coin, if its ok for a gay to slate a straight, then why is it not ok for a straight to slate a gay. If you can answer this without thinking about it then you truly have a problem.

This part of your post is confusing.

Did the gay person slate the straight person for being straight or did the gay person just slate the straight person for their views?

What is being slated in the example you gave?

[Kizzy]

Ah right, in a kind of man+ man thing does not compute from a base animal/human reproductive aspect?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah right, in a kind of man+ man thing does not compute from a base animal/human reproductive aspect?

It probably is that.It is ingrained to not be a palletable thing to watch and my eyes would rather avert their attention somewhere else.Much the same as if my mum and dad started shagging in front of me.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It probably is that.It is ingrained to not be a palletable thing to watch and my eyes would rather avert their attention somewhere else.Much the same as if my mum and dad started shagging in front of me.

Maybe, even though you can accept it happens instinctively it feels a bit ew?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Maybe, even though you can accept it happens instinctively it feels a bit ew?

Yes.I am totally fine with it.Gay people should be free to kiss wherever they like.My eyes would just rather look in another direction.

[Ammi]

..I am accepting of different views/different generations but it's interesting though that there was a bringing up to hate Catholics, it was a hate that was actively tried to be instilled in you...and yet you didn't hate, you did the exact opposite and you found a life love with a Catholic...you saw there was no cause for any fears/intolerance/prejudice etc of Catholic people ....so is that not something to consider, that a mind-set is broke free of in some things, so why not others as well/why held onto with homosexuality for instance...that's something that I would certainly question in myself if I had the same views...

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yes.I am totally fine with it.Gay people should be free to kiss wherever they like.My eyes would just rather look in another direction.

Sadly the view of the more verbal of our gay friends seem to think that we should alter our feelings to suit their agenda and if we don't, we deserve the label of Homophobic. My opinions are the same as yours but I suppose having opinions in a den of non conformists means defeat to the uninitiated.

The mere fact that all of my views have been discounted as the ranting of a loonie and homophobe, lends credence to my argument and therin lies the rub.

[Kizzy]

I'd say that is exactly what the OP is questioning, the opposition to Catholics only came via primary socialisation there was no societal, governmental or inherent aspect to consider.

[bots]

Heterophobia does exist. Is it an equivalent or as prevalent an issue as homophobia - no absolutely not, not even close.

Really, everyone needs to get off their high horse and agree on the principle that any form of persecution or prejudice is unwelcome in 2016 whatever name it is given

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Heterophobia does exist. Is it an equivalent or as prevalent an issue as homophobia - no absolutely not, not even close.

Really, everyone needs to get off their high horse and agree on the principle that any form of persecution or prejudice is unwelcome in 2016 whatever name it is given

I agree with this... 100% !

[Candy Annie Cane]

Straight people are regularly turned away from bars in the Village in Manchester on the basis of their sexuality. I guess that could be deemed as discrimination as no bar would be able to be "straights" only in the rest of Manchester (quite rightly so).

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Straight people are regularly turned away from bars in the Village in Manchester on the basis of their sexuality. I guess that could be deemed as discrimination as no bar would be able to be "straights" only in the rest of Manchester (quite rightly so).

Interesting that this seems to have been completely overlooked. Its not a rare thing either, up in Newcastle it happens quite regularly too. Not that this means heterophobia exists as such, but there is definitely discimination going on.

Also wtf at what this thread has turned into? Young dont want to work, older people would never have not worked...seriously?! The jobs market is massively different these days to what it was even 10 years ago. 10 years back I quit my job and quite literally walked into another within 5 minutes. Now hundreds of people apply for every damn job. I am sick to death of seeing about how the youth of today are lazy bastards when its just not true. yeah SOME are, same as SOME back when you 60 year olds were young were also lazy bastards. And don't say this didn't happen either, this is what 'pension credit' is for...yeah, those older people who didn't ****ing work when they were younger. I know this because...shock horror I know a 65 year old who never worked a day in his life. OMGZ...yeah,. these people have always been around. What a revelation. Some really need to stop lapping up the bollocks the sun and the star give out tbh.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Interesting that this seems to have been completely overlooked. Its not a rare thing either, up in Newcastle it happens quite regularly too. Not that this means heterophobia exists as such, but there is definitely discimination going on.

Also wtf at what this thread has turned into? Young dont want to work, older people would never have not worked...seriously?! The jobs market is massively different these days to what it was even 10 years ago. 10 years back I quit my job and quite literally walked into another within 5 minutes. Now hundreds of people apply for every damn job. I am sick to death of seeing about how the youth of today are lazy bastards when its just not true. yeah SOME are, same as SOME back when you 60 year olds were young were also lazy bastards. And don't say this didn't happen either, this is what 'pension credit' is for...yeah, those older people who didn't ****ing work when they were younger. I know this because...shock horror I know a 65 year old who never worked a day in his life. OMGZ...yeah,. these people have always been around. What a revelation. Some really need to stop lapping up the bollocks the sun and the star give out tbh.

Well said Vicky.
Nothing new about SOME people not wanting to work, or never having worked.
We have estates of third generation families that have never wanted to work, apart from the fiddle that is. So the older generation can't get off Scott free.
We have also had mass unemployment and no jobs over the generations as well.
Nothing really changes that much...apart from the ridiculously high house prices.
How on earth the younger ones are expected to buy a house, or even afford the high rent prices is just beyond me.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Ireland voted Yes to gay marriage by a large margin so don't lump us into the homophobic category, tyvm

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ireland voted Yes to gay marriage by a large margin so don't lump us into the homophobic category, tyvm

The vote was subscribed to by mostly the gay community and the younger element. The old silent majority didn't see the need to oppose it as it was bound to happen one day and it made no difference to their lives anyway. Sometimes not arguing the indefensible is better than arguing for no reason.

If your point is that the older majority agreed with gay marriage, you are sadly wrong. It was a vote designed to win from the get go because it gave no platform for debate or motions against it mainly because to argue such things would be viewed as politically incorrect and some people rather not get into arguments especially when old and feeble.

[Denver]

I can understand both sides but Hetrophobia does exist yes its nowhere near as big as Homo/Transphobia it is all wrong and nobody should be made to feel horrible for what sexuality they are.

[ChristmasNeeve]

How do you know? you don't live here. I've spoken to plenty of older people who had no problem with gay marriage, in fact in the Polls leading up to the vote the majority of over 50s were in favour, not as big a majority as younger people but still a majority

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How do you know? you don't live here. I've spoken to plenty of older people who had no problem with gay marriage, in fact in the Polls leading up to the vote the majority of over 50s were in favour, not as big a majority as younger people but still a majority

I have family there and you are wrong but lets leave it at that shall we.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I have family there and you are wrong but lets leave it at that shall we.

Well no, you can't tell someone they are wrong and then 'leave it at that.' What insider knowledge do you have that Niamh doesn't as an Irish citizen, what makes your family more knowledgeable on the matter than her?

Justify your statements, you can't just say something like that and then take the metaphorical ball home.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well no, you can't tell someone they are wrong and then 'leave it at that.' What insider knowledge do you have that Niamh doesn't as an Irish citizen, what makes your family more knowledgeable in the matter than her?

Justify your statements, you can't just say something like that and then take the metaphorical ball home.

I love a Man that can Strap another Up
Dezzy - You Are Worthy

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well no, you can't tell someone they are wrong and then 'leave it at that.' What insider knowledge do you have that Niamh doesn't as an Irish citizen, what makes your family more knowledgeable on the matter than her?

Justify your statements, you can't just say something like that and then take the metaphorical ball home.

Dezzy I am 63 now and was born bred and raised in Ireland for most of my life so that gives me the right. \I am Irish living in England. I wont argue with you two, end of.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Dezzy I am 63 now and was born bred and raised in Ireland for most of my life so that gives me the right. \I am Irish living in England. I wont argue with you two, end of.

Northern Ireland not Southern Ireland, I'm talking about Southern Ireland

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I have family there and you are wrong but lets leave it at that shall we.

How am I wrong? Lol did you not see the Polls before the Vote? You're family in Ireland clearly didn't

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How am I wrong? Lol did you not see the Polls before the Vote? You're family in Ireland clearly didn't

So Polls are never wrong now. Sorry but my telephone tells a different story, not some spotty geek on a high street soliciting poll opinions whilst most of the oldies are housebound.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by sampvt

So Polls are never wrong now. Sorry but my telephone tells a different story, not some spotty geek on a high street soliciting poll opinions whilst most of the oldies are housebound.

You're in contact with some family by phone and I actually live here, who knows more I wonder . . .?