[sampvt]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoph...d_alternatives

The above pasted explanation is an insight into why some of us are at loggerheads with each other constantly and it ruins the enjoyment for many.

Older people brought up in places like Ireland, Palestine and even parts of Europe, have long since been indoctrinated with religious and gender issues and it is very hard for these old foggies to change. This is a fact and no matter how hard we try, it isn't that easy. So Just like the younger element of today find it strange that we should feel this way, turn the tables and try to understand that our view of your views are just as hard to swallow.

Example....My father was a staunch Orange man in Ulster and he tried to rear me with hatred for all things catholic. Did he succeed, no he didn't because to his dying day, he never knew my wife of 42 years was indeed catholic. We chose to keep this from him but my change was reached over many years. The same teachings regarding homosexuals is still ingrained into many older people and our thoughts on certain homosexual activities is harder to swallow than the views my kids have, but we are no less responsible for our actions or reactions due to the way we were raised and taught.

In years to come, the youth of today will have serious misgivings on certain political or religious practices in their old age and will maybe begin to understand how the world operates. Try telling a fundamentalist Muslim extremist that Christianity is the way to go and no matter how modern he is, he will go ape at your suggestion but if he is gay he will never accept a homophobes views like we are expecting him to accept Christians views.

I guess what I am trying to say is that we all should have a large degree of latitude against ach other and be safe in the knowledge that if you think someone os wrong for his views, he might be equally just as correct to like or dislike your views. There is no wrong or right in PC matters, it is the individuals own perception of the rules of the game that causes discernment, so lighten up guys, cut the other side a bit of slack and bypass anything that might not atone to your own particular views or personal beliefs.

I am not homophobic in any way, but my mind, gut and eyes will never accept the sight of 2 men kissing, so if that makes me a homophobe, then the world is truly a sad place to live. On the other side of the coin, if its ok for a gay to slate a straight, then why is it not ok for a straight to slate a gay. If you can answer this without thinking about it then you truly have a problem.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I am not homophobic in any way, but my mind, gut and eyes will never accept the sight of 2 men kissing, so if that makes me a homophobe, then the world is truly a sad place to live. On the other side of the coin, if its ok for a gay to slate a straight, then why is it not ok for a straight to slate a gay. If you can answer this without thinking about it then you truly have a problem.

To be honest, a lot of what I didn't quote read like excuses for why it's ok to be homophobic. This first bolded line is a contradiction, because if you can't accept it, then that's quite worrying. You don't have to like it, but to not be accepting of it isn't ok.

You're other point, well if someone doesn't accept a straight person simply because they're straight then yes, I suppose that would technically be heterophobic, but I hardly think it's a serious problem that society has ever faced. And even if it was, it doesn't mean it's ok for people to be homphobic. So I'm not sure what the point to all this is
Are you trying to say that because heterophobia exists, it's ok to be homophobic?

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

To be honest, a lot of what I didn't quote read like excuses for why it's ok to be homophobic. This first bolded line is a contradiction, because if you can't accept it, then that's quite worrying. You don't have to like it, but to not be accepting of it isn't ok.

You're other point, well if someone doesn't accept a straight person simply because they're straight then yes, I suppose that would technically be heterophobic, but I hardly think it's a serious problem that society has ever faced. And even if it was, it doesn't mean it's ok for people to be homphobic. So I'm not sure what the point to all this is
Are you trying to say that because heterophobia exists, it's ok to be homophobic?

Of course its not ok to be homophobic just as well as its not ok to be heterophobic

[Tom4784]

I don't believe in Heterophobia at all, Heterosexuality will always be the norm, Gay/bi/whatever people will never outnumber straight people to such an extent that heterosexuality will be considered a minority and even if they did then society would still consider Heterosexuality the norm regardless.

Straight people do not face the same struggles as someone who identifies as another sexuality and they never will which makes claims of heterophobia sound ridiculous. Straight people never have to fear being rejected by their families for being straight, they've never had to fear walking down the street because they're in a relationship with someone of the opposite gender, they've never had their human rights denied to them because they are straight.

Heterosexuals simply will never face persecution and difficulties for being straight, they will never face the same issues that LGBT people will face on a regular basis.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't believe in Heterophobia at all, Heterosexuality will always be the norm, Gay/bi/whatever people will never outnumber straight people to such an extent that heterosexuality will be considered a minority and even if they did then society would still consider Heterosexuality the norm regardless.

Straight people do not face the same struggles as someone who identifies as another sexuality and they never will which makes claims of heterophobia sound ridiculous. Straight people never have to fear being rejected by their families for being straight, they've never had to fear walking down the street because they're in a relationship with someone of the opposite gender, they've never had their human rights denied to them because they are straight.

Heterosexuals simply will never face persecution and difficulties for being straight, they will never face the same issues that LGBT people will face on a regular basis.

Yes this!

Straight people are welcomed in every country.. homosexuals are not, Russia don't take too kindly to homosexuals and other places. They have been some BB3 documentaries about it

[Jack_]

If you are offended at the sight of two men kissing (even more so when I'd bet a lot of money that you, and many others, aren't at the sight of two women) then you are homophobic. The very definition of homophobia is a fear, aversion and disliking to homosexual activity and those who partake in it. If you are put off when you see it, deep within you is ingrained homophobia. However, it's whether you choose to express this distaste and/or become insulting that determines whether it's a problem or not. Keep it to yourself and you've offended no one, draw attention to it, make comments, make people feel uncomfortable, and then it's an issue.

You are of course well within your rights to hold any opinion on this matter you wish, that is the beauty of freedom of thought, and within reason the beauty of freedom of speech, but being homophobic for homophobic's sake is unjustifiable and is rightly condemned. Thankfully the people who are homophobic, in much the same way some are racist, sexist etc etc, are not long dying off, and so the practice of indoctrinating their children with such intolerance will soon be over and generationally we'll become the more tolerant and open minded society we have already started to be.

I too don't see what relevance this has to CBB though

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Every single word of your post is loaded towards gay values with no consideration to straight values, which probably emphasises the need for more people to realise that Heterophobia is alive and kicking. Consigning this post to the annals of the SD bin proves that gay views are taken more seriously than straight views, especially on TIBB

And what are 'straight values' and what are 'gay values'? I'm pretty sure we're all people and we all (mostly and hopefully) have the same values.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If you are offended at the sight of two men kissing (even more so when I'd bet a lot of money that you, and many others, aren't at the sight of two women) then you are homophobic. The very definition of homophobia is a fear, aversion and disliking to homosexual activity and those who partake in it. If you are put off when you see it, deep within you is ingrained homophobia. However, it's whether you choose to express this distaste and/or become insulting that determines whether it's a problem or not. Keep it to yourself and you've offended no one, draw attention to it, make comments, make people feel uncomfortable, and then it's an issue.

You are of course well within your rights to hold any opinion on this matter you wish, that is the beauty of freedom of thought, and within reason the beauty of freedom of speech, but being homophobic for homophobic's sake is unjustifiable and is rightly condemned. Thankfully the people who are homophobic, in much the same way some are racist, sexist etc etc, are not long dying off, and so the practice of indoctrinating their children with such intolerance will soon be over and generationally we'll become the more tolerant and open minded society we have already started to be.

I too don't see what relevance this has to CBB though

Right back at you Jack. Your compelling views against my right to think and act like the person I was taught to be, is tantamount to the explanation that Heterophobia exists in greater numbers than we thought. The mere fact that you are pre programmed to argue with my views as opposed to debating them, wins the argument for me.

[armand.kay]

LOL why are people still trying to make this into a issue. **** like this and reverse racism bull just undermines the **** that actual oppressed groups have to go though.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Every single word of your post is loaded towards gay values with no consideration to straight values, which probably emphasises the need for more people to realise that Heterophobia is alive and kicking. Consigning this post to the annals of the SD bin proves that gay views are taken more seriously than straight views, especially on TIBB

Straight people aren't being victimised on a regular basis. If you're going to say that men kissing makes you uncomfortable then you have to accept that some people will not agree with you and dislike your opinion, to say that they are heterophobic for basically not agreeing with you is fairly ridiculous.

I moved this thread to SD because it had nothing but a strenous link to CBB at best, It's a thread that's better suited to SD. I'm certainly not succumbing to some gay cabal that controls Tibb. We don't honestly care about anyone's sexuality, we make our own decisions and that's it.

[MB.]

Sam, people aren't arguing your point because heterophobia is real, they're arguing your point because the opening post ends with something exactly along the lines of 'well if hating the sight of gays makes me homophobic nowadays then I give up!'

[Cal.]

Like anyone cares about people's sexuality on the forum. I only know like 1 person's sexuality in this whole thread.

[armand.kay]

Also I don't understand how you not being able to stand two men kissing is anyone else's problem but your own. They have a right to kiss just like any other couple and you're just gonna have to deal with that.

[Samm]

I'm screaming @ "straight values" anyway it's ****ing 2016, everybody is equal to there own rights.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

And what are 'straight values' and what are 'gay values'? I'm pretty sure we're all people and we all (mostly and hopefully) have the same values.

I'd quite like to see this answered tbh.

Originally Posted by sampvt

Right back at you Jack. Your compelling views against my right to think and act like the person I was taught to be, is tantamount to the explanation that Heterophobia exists in greater numbers than we thought. The mere fact that you are pre programmed to argue with my views as opposed to debating them, wins the argument for me.

Like Dezzy and others have said though, just because someone disagrees with you about it being ok to be homophobic (which I'm sorry, but that is basically what your OP says), that doesn't make them heterophobic. There's no logic in the connection your making.

[Kizzy]

I see where Sam is coming from and he explains it very well, over generations the law and the church condemned homosexuality, that condemnation was felt more strongly in some areas more than others.
There has to be a period of adjustment, reconciliation, information, education and acceptance before this become a new societal norm.
Nothing good ever happened overnight.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Also I don't understand how you not being able to stand two men kissing is anyone else's problem but your own. They have a right to kiss just like any other couple and you're just gonna have to deal with that.

Exactly (although personally I hate all pubic displays of affection, I'm an equal opportunities bigot in that respect)

[waterhog]

if you can not see the sight of 2 men or 2 ladys kissing - I think the problem is with you.

we need a bit of music

what is love - who sang it. can not even remember - someone help me out.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If you are offended at the sight of two men kissing (even more so when I'd bet a lot of money that you, and many others, aren't at the sight of two women) then you are homophobic. The very definition of homophobia is a fear, aversion and disliking to homosexual activity and those who partake in it. If you are put off when you see it, deep within you is ingrained homophobia. However, it's whether you choose to express this distaste and/or become insulting that determines whether it's a problem or not. Keep it to yourself and you've offended no one, draw attention to it, make comments, make people feel uncomfortable, and then it's an issue.

You are of course well within your rights to hold any opinion on this matter you wish, that is the beauty of freedom of thought, and within reason the beauty of freedom of speech, but being homophobic for homophobic's sake is unjustifiable and is rightly condemned. Thankfully the people who are homophobic, in much the same way some are racist, sexist etc etc, are not long dying off, and so the practice of indoctrinating their children with such intolerance will soon be over and generationally we'll become the more tolerant and open minded society we have already started to be.

I too don't see what relevance this has to CBB though

This would suggest that the majority of straight men are homophobic.Every straight man i know would be slightly repulsed by the sight of two men kissing and look away.I have nothing at all against anyone being gay and nothing against gay people.I don't consider myself to be homophobic.However i don't have any desire to watch it in action and would look the other way if two men kiss.Obviously two women kissing is a different story as women are my preference.
accusing people of being homophobic for not wanting to see men kissing is not really helpful for understanding between gay and straight people.

As for "heterophobia".I've never heard of that even being a thing.That would mean people hating even their own parents.I can't see it.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I see where Sam is coming from and he explains it very well, over generations the law and the church condemned homosexuality, that condemnation was felt more strongly in some areas more than others.
There has to be a period of adjustment, reconciliation, information, education and acceptance before this become a new societal norm.
Nothing good ever happened overnight.

Very well put and comes from an insight that is derived from an educational background that has obviously succeeded.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This would suggest that the majority of straight men are homophobic.Every straight man i know would be slightly repulsed by the sight of two men kissing and look away.I have nothing at all against anyone being gay and nothing against gay people.I don't consider myself to be homophobic.However i don't have any desire to watch it in action and would look the other way if two men kiss.Obviously two women kissing is a different story as women are my preference.
accusing people of being homophobic for not wanting to see men kissing is not really helpful for understanding between gay and straight people.

Absolutely spot on. Now we are getting a true and responsive debate.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This would suggest that the majority of straight men are homophobic.Every straight man i know would be slightly repulsed by the sight of two men kissing and look away.I have nothing at all against anyone being gay and nothing against gay people.I don't consider myself to be homophobic.However i don't have any desire to watch it in action and would look the other way if two men kiss.Obviously two women kissing is a different story as women are my preference.
accusing people of being homophobic for not wanting to see men kissing is not really helpful for understanding between gay and straight people.

As for "heterophobia".I've never heard of that even being a thing.That would mean people hating even their own parents.I can't see it.

Nope all the staright male friends I have don't mind it all all

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by sampvt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoph...d_alternatives

The above pasted explanation is an insight into why some of us are at loggerheads with each other constantly and it ruins the enjoyment for many.

Older people brought up in places like Ireland, Palestine and even parts of Europe, have long since been indoctrinated with religious and gender issues and it is very hard for these old foggies to change. This is a fact and no matter how hard we try, it isn't that easy. So Just like the younger element of today find it strange that we should feel this way, turn the tables and try to understand that our view of your views are just as hard to swallow.

Example....My father was a staunch Orange man in Ulster and he tried to rear me with hatred for all things catholic. Did he succeed, no he didn't because to his dying day, he never knew my wife of 42 years was indeed catholic. We chose to keep this from him but my change was reached over many years. The same teachings regarding homosexuals is still ingrained into many older people and our thoughts on certain homosexual activities is harder to swallow than the views my kids have, but we are no less responsible for our actions or reactions due to the way we were raised and taught.

In years to come, the youth of today will have serious misgivings on certain political or religious practices in their old age and will maybe begin to understand how the world operates. Try telling a fundamentalist Muslim extremist that Christianity is the way to go and no matter how modern he is, he will go ape at your suggestion but if he is gay he will never accept a homophobes views like we are expecting him to accept Christians views.

I guess what I am trying to say is that we all should have a large degree of latitude against ach other and be safe in the knowledge that if you think someone os wrong for his views, he might be equally just as correct to like or dislike your views. There is no wrong or right in PC matters, it is the individuals own perception of the rules of the game that causes discernment, so lighten up guys, cut the other side a bit of slack and bypass anything that might not atone to your own particular views or personal beliefs.

I am not homophobic in any way, but my mind, gut and eyes will never accept the sight of 2 men kissing, so if that makes me a homophobe, then the world is truly a sad place to live. On the other side of the coin, if its ok for a gay to slate a straight, then why is it not ok for a straight to slate a gay. If you can answer this without thinking about it then you truly have a problem.

This part of your post is confusing.

Did the gay person slate the straight person for being straight or did the gay person just slate the straight person for their views?

What is being slated in the example you gave?

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This would suggest that the majority of straight men are homophobic.Every straight man i know would be slightly repulsed by the sight of two men kissing and look away.I have nothing at all against anyone being gay and nothing against gay people.I don't consider myself to be homophobic.However i don't have any desire to watch it in action and would look the other way if two men kiss.Obviously two women kissing is a different story as women are my preference.
accusing people of being homophobic for not wanting to see men kissing is not really helpful for understanding between gay and straight people.

As for "heterophobia".I've never heard of that even being a thing.That would mean people hating even their own parents.I can't see it.

"Slightly repulsed" lol. Ok, as long it's low on the scale of repulsion then that's fine. This smacks of "I don't have a problem with it, as long as it's behind closed doors and no one speaks of it!".

You don't have to feel a "desire to watch it". Even if it happens out in the street, you don't have to stand there watching. But seeing it... and feeling repulsion?! I think that's pretty homophobic. You don't have to want to see it, but you can still be accepting of it if it does happen. But to try and justify a feeling of repulsion, exclusively towards gay men kissing, suggests that it isn't something you're accepting of. Fortunately, "every straight man you know" doesn't represent the entire straight male population.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

Nope all the staright male friends I have don't mind it all all

That's just what they say so they don't appear homophobic.