[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

This is really sad but thank **** you see it! I always think of you, Lostie and Vicky as the voices of reason on here the last few series so if you see it I feel vindicated in feeling the way I do about him

aww thanks

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I get it you think he's a victim, that's fine. I changed how I worded the last paragraph anyway

I'm also fully aware what a scapegoat is thank you.

Actually I've never said I think he's a victim but you seem to be in the habit of putting words into the mouths of Hughie fans lately so feel free to carry that on if you like.

I do think he's been on the receiving end of stuff that makes me understand his losses of temper, though.

And if you truly think Natalie is being scapegoated then I beg to differ I'm afraid.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

But Hughie's comments aren't much different to most people's first impressions of her on here on Launch Night.

Seriously everyone makes pre-judgements before getting to know people so why is Hughie being held at such a high standard?

Because he said it on TV. He's on the show for me to judge he put hI'm self forward to be judged, if I went and quoted people who said nasty things about people's weight and stuff on here I'd be breaking the rules for going off topic and having a go at fmers

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I totally agree with the OP

Natalie and Hughie are as argumentative as each other but she seems to be shouldering the blame every single time they clash...infact Hughie never gets the blame, even when Alex tried to stop Hughie and Jackson arguing Alex was heaped with blame even though Hughie was the clear aggressor.

He's absolutely awful and the worst one in there by a mile, he's literally irrelevant without somebody to clash with unless you like a fake as fook showmance. He's clearly not interested in Ryan but he'll be aware it'll get him airtime.

He only apologized to Lateysha because he was caught out, he called Natalie a 'lardy arse' apparently during their fight in the bedroom so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's called Lateysha fat too.

Once Natalie is gone and there is no clear scapegoat for him fans to chuck the blame on for his aggression his true colours will be clear to people I hope.

Hughie is probably more argumentative tbh its just that he is more likeable. We've seen a few sides to Hughie and it doesn't seem like all there is to him is drama and arguing. Also Hughie only got mad at Alex because overtime him or anyone tries to stop an argument they tell him to pipe down even tho the other party is being just as loud as him, I can see why he would be frustrated.

Not really irrelevant tho is he? he's had a fair amount of air time showing him interacting with the housemates and having some fun before the first time he flipped out. I mean is Natalie even at all relevant when she's not causing drama? I like her but she's very one dimensional Don't really get what you mean by the Ryan thing. Ryan seems to be the one pushing the relationship. its not even really a showmance they've kissed like twice and had one joke date. He doesn't spend all day in bed with Ryan, he's hardly talks about it and he hasn't even acknowledged it as a relationship so I don't really get what you mean by he's pushing the showmance for air time.. If anything Hughie seems hesitant to take this any further with Ryan.

Lol was he supposed to in like "yeah hi I'm hughie, btw lateysha I called you a slut in the first week sorry"? like what was he meant to do? Natalie snitched on him minutes after they all moved in. He didn't really get the chance to ever talk to lateysha.

Most Hughie fans have acknowledged that he can aggressive and no one really blames Natalie. He's only argues with her twice and has a lot more arguments with other people so that argument just isn't realistic in the slightest.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by hot2go

No, if only....doesn't make her a slut, it makes her look like one ....and nowt wrong with that if that's the look you wanna go for but don't then belly ache about it when people form the wrong impression of you because of it.
Lateysha created her own situation ...no one thought Georgina looked like a slut and the reason for that is because she wasn't dressed like a porn star.
It's very simple.

Lateysha didn't 'bellyach' over it. She handled it very well imo

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Because he said it on TV. He's on the show for me to judge he put hI'm self forward to be judged, if I went and quoted people who said nasty things about people's weight and stuff on here I'd be breaking the rules for going off topic and having a go at fmers

So you're telling me that you've never made a negative judgement of someone on first impressions? I don't mean to come off as confrontational but well done if you haven't because you're in a tiny minority if that's the case and it makes you a better person than me and Hughie and 95% of the planet.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

A bit of cleavage/side boob makes a girl a slut now? Have we gone back in time?

Ive no problem you being one of the posters who love to cut and paste peoples posts but why remove all the relevant information in my post that targets Laura in the same way and hi lights how Charlie, Huey and Jayne also accused someone of being a slag ?
Why make me look like I've just attacked Lateysha ? And why edit the full post that explains how I came to my conclusion ?
I wud appreciate you stop doing that...it looks like a deliberate attempt to edit me in a bad way on purpose.

[armand.kay]

To be fair as well Hughie was commenting on what he had seen of her on the valleys, and yeah what he said was wrong but it doesn't really make him a bad person? Like how black and white does your view on the world have to be to completely determine a person's character based on one throw aways comment they made

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Lateysha didn't 'bellyach' over it. She handled it very well imo

Would that be your full opinion or an edited version ?

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

So you're telling me that you've never made a negative judgement of someone on first impressions? I don't mean to come off as confrontational but well done if you haven't because you're in a tiny minority if that's the case and it makes you a better person than me and Hughie and 95% of the planet.

I may have in the past when I was like 14-16 but Hughie is about 22 isn't he? I am above calling people fat and slutty at 18 so I do think I'm a much better person than him, yes.

[Dollface]

Armand

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I may have in the past when I was like 14-16 but Hughie is about 22 isn't he? I am above calling people fat and slutty at 18 so I do think I'm a much better person than him, yes.

Not weight jibes, but initial personality traits when you meet people for the first time?

Or even negative impressions when speaking to people on the Internet for the first time?

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Based on..?

Perhaps the lies she's said about Jayne, accusing her of not really donating any money to charity, and her total unwillingness to hear anything that doesn't suit her agenda? Just a hunch.

[Amy Jade]

Armand.kay I do think he's irrelevant without somebody to clash with or the showmance. He's had no stand out moments...even when he argues it's just messy. I personally find Natalie funnier than him when they row because she has control of herself still.

Swings n round-a-bouts though

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

A really nice guy who calls people he's never met fat, trampy and slaggy on TV. He's totally Prince Charming.

You see, now you're cherry picking. Fair enough, yeah, those type of comments are not very nice but i'm sure we're all guilty of making rash judgements on people we have never met before. But away from all of that, I really do believe that he is a genuine person and like what others have said, he only becomes aggressive when he is standing up for himself, unlike Natalie, who on many occasions has showed aggressive behaviour for no apparent reason.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Not weight jibes, but initial personality traits when you meet people for the first time?

Or even negative impressions when speaking to people on the Internet for the first time?

If I met somebody who was bigger I wouldn't automatically think fatty and if I saw somebody with cleaveage on show I wouldn't think slut if that's what you're asking

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Armand.kay I do think he's irrelevant without somebody to clash with or the showmance. He's had no stand out moments...even when he argues it's just messy. I personally find Natalie funnier than him when they row because she has control of herself still.

Swings n round-a-bouts though

Tbh she can barely breathe when she gets in arguments, she gets herself so worked up.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

You see, now you're cherry picking. Fair enough, yeah, those type of comments are not very nice but i'm sure we're all guilty of making rash judgements on people we have never met before.

I don't think everyone calls a person a slag (vile word) before they've met them but if you say so!

[Tom4784]

It's because he's reactionary I think. Natalie is aggressive without reason. Hughie's only lost his **** when he's provoked and is agreable most of the time.

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by reece(:

I don't think everyone calls a person a slag (vile word) before they've met them but if you say so!

Is that what I said though? I was talking about rash judgements in general

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

If I met somebody who was bigger I wouldn't automatically think fatty and if I saw somebody with cleaveage on show I wouldn't think slut if that's what you're asking

1) we don't even know for sure that Hughie even called Lateysha fat or a slag. It's all just hearsay from Natalie who has a track record of lying like when she said Hughie brought up her weight when he never has.

2) even if he did call her that it was on night one based on a 30 second video introduction, as part of a task where they were encouraged to make judgements on the housemates. That doesn't reflect on his personality at all

[armand.kay]

Hughie's Dr rant is probs the stand out moment of the series.

But like I've said before we've seen more of Hughie just being normal, chill and having fun with other housemates than we've seen of Natalie which is why i believe he brings more to the house and why most people prefer him to Natalie. We've also not really seen him be vindictive and manipulative like we have with Natalie which would also explain why people like Hughie and don't like Natalie.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

If I met somebody who was bigger I wouldn't automatically think fatty and if I saw somebody with cleaveage on show I wouldn't think slut if that's what you're asking

That's fair enough, but would you have a positive impression by someone dressing with their cleaveage hanging out on your first impressions of her? Because to me my first impressions of her was that she looked desperate for attention.

Hughie's comments are not what I would ever think from what someone's wearing, but it's obviously first impressions that he obviously can have on people.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by reece(:

I don't think everyone calls a person a slag (vile word) before they've met them but if you say so!

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I may have in the past when I was like 14-16 but Hughie is about 22 isn't he? I am above calling people fat and slutty at 18 so I do think I'm a much better person than him, yes.

Well, give me someone that makes pre-judgements over someone that deliberately lies and stirs the pot to cause trouble annnny day.