[Withano]

A bit tactless, all the fans of 5am will also be fans of The Brooks and they cant vote both.. but I suppose theres only one winner.. I always think having the most acts progress towards the end is the way to 'win' but I suppose its not.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But the show isn't a 'joke' with the exception of last year's godawful series (doesn't that tell you something) it has been this way for like...eight years?

I don't think X Factor has been a bonafide talent show since Alexandra's year, and even that might be pushing it. It's weekend primetime entertainment that masquerades as a talent show. Nothing more, nothing less. And the show at its peak was riddled with joke acts and faux dramas - and so it should. If you want a serious singing competition watch The Voice but it's ****ing dull precisely because of that

Yes it is a joke lol, it's more predictable and forced than ever. Maybe if it went back to being a talent show like the Alexandra year it wouldn't continue to decline every year. But no, I guess Louis trolling the public is what people want

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Best judge of all time

I liked Four of Diamonds but let's be honest they'd be week 3 elimination fodder so I'd rather have a joke act that can be exploited for Deadlock drama

I agree with absolutely all of this

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't think X Factor has been a bonafide talent show since Alexandra's year, and even that might be pushing it. It's weekend primetime entertainment that masquerades as a talent show. Nothing more, nothing less. And the show at its peak was riddled with joke acts and faux dramas - and so it should. If you want a serious singing competition watch The Voice but it's ****ing dull precisely because of that

I agree with all of this too

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Yes it is a joke lol, it's more predictable and forced than ever. Maybe if it went back to being a talent show like the Alexandra year it wouldn't continue to decline every year. But no, I guess Louis trolling the public is what people want

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If people loved bonafide talent competitions so much then The Voice would do better than it does, and X Factor wouldn't have peaked in the two years following Alexandra's year and dare I say would've continued to had Simon not gambled on XF US and made a catastrophic mistake with the UK's panel

People aren't going to acknowledge that's what they want, no. But they are gonna talk about it, and they are gonna complain about it, and (most) of them will keep flooding back again and again for the controversy. One of the many mistakes they made last year was not having a joke act and trying to make the show too 'serious' and look how that turned out. It's dull. The X Factor is a living, breathing primetime entertainment juggernaut riddled with faux dramas and controversy, this is nothing new and hasn't been for a very long time

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Jack_

One of the many mistakes they made last year was not having a joke act and trying to make the show too 'serious'

Reggie and Bollie say hello

[Jordan.]

The voice actually has good ratings so not sure why it's being used as a receipt to discredit "serious" talent shows

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Reggie and Bollie say hello

Well they started out as one I agree but things changed at the lives, a genuine joke act doesn't make the final two

Originally Posted by Jordan.

The voice actually has good ratings so not sure why it's being used as a receipt to discredit "serious" talent shows

At the Blind Auditions yes, because it's an (admittedly) clever gimmick that discerns it from shows like X Factor, it falls apart when they're over though because the rest of the format is an incoherent mess. The fact they have three live shows is appalling. Don't the coaches still pick who makes the semi final? It's all over the place, and the live shows lack the punchy production and drama that XF has. Every performance gets a standing ovation () which weakens their meaning, it's a massive love-in amongst the coaches, everyone's ~amazing~, etc etc

[LukeB]

Reggie and Bollie were always the joke act nothing changed.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well they started out as one I agree but things changed at the lives, a genuine joke act doesn't make the final two

They remained a joke act until the final 2. All you had to do was look at twitter every Sunday night, they reached the final 2 because people wanted to stick it to Simon Cowell much like when Joe lost the Christmas number one.

[Amy Jade]

I don't even mind joke acts IF they have a degree of talent like say Katie Waissel or Kitty Brucknell and at first when Wagner was involved it was genuinely hilarious but with every year it's gotten so ****ing stale. I'd be more shocked if the judges took through the most talented acts now, I knew Ottavio and Bradley would make lives as soon as Louis was announced as their mentor.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

They remained a joke act until the final 2. All you had to do was look at twitter every Sunday night, they reached the final 2 because people wanted to stick it to Simon Cowell much like when Joe lost the Christmas number one.

(And cheryl fans voting them because they were mentored by cheryl)

[Peppermint]

How were Reggie N Bollie not a joke act? They are awful singers.

[Jack_]

Oh I agree they're not the best joke act by any means, and there were quite a few this year sent home at Bootcamp I'd have preferred to stick around (the Friday Night guy being one of them), but I'd still rather have a joke act than not. They make the live shows fun and bring much needed drama and outrage to Louis' inevitable deadlocks

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by caprimint

How were Reggie N Bollie not a joke act? They are awful singers.

That doesn't make someone a joke act lol or else plenty of ~serious~ acts throughout the years were joke acts. They weren't even that bad and they were good performers and brought much needed fun to what were otherwise awful live shows, I think that's why they succeeded

It's right they didn't win, but still

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Oh I agree they're not the best joke act by any means, and there were quite a few this year sent home at Bootcamp I'd have preferred to stick around (the Friday Night guy being one of them), but I'd still rather have a joke act than not. They make the live shows fun and bring much needed drama and outrage to Louis' inevitable deadlocks

That's happened so often now I don't find it that fun personally.

Give me a good old shocking talent v talent sing off (Laura White V Ruth Lorenzo or Ella Henderson v James Arthur) over any semi memorable fodder being sacrificed to get in The Sun any day.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

That's happened so often now I don't find it that fun personally.

Give me a good old shocking talent v talent sing off (Laura White V Ruth Lorenzo or Ella Henderson v James Arthur) over any semi memorable fodder being sacrificed to get in The Sun any day.

Ella was robbed

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Ella was robbed

Ghost, Glow and Yours>>>>>anyone's songs released that year

[DouglasS]

Four of Diamonds were the best group by far IMO. They're far superior to Little Mix. However Loius was always going to put through the Brooks and the joke act, leaving just 1 place. [3AM were not even the best of the boybands...]

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Best judge of all time

I liked Four of Diamonds but let's be honest they'd be week 3 elimination fodder so I'd rather have a joke act that can be exploited for Deadlock drama

This lol.

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I don't even mind joke acts IF they have a degree of talent like say Katie Waissel or Kitty Brucknell and at first when Wagner was involved it was genuinely hilarious but with every year it's gotten so ****ing stale. I'd be more shocked if the judges took through the most talented acts now, I knew Ottavio and Bradley would make lives as soon as Louis was announced as their mentor.

I agree. The most entertaining novelty acts are the ones that know they're pretty **** but don't complain, get on with it and enjoy themselves just like Wagner did. The problem with them these days is that they're so contrived and fake it's ridiculous.. it's almost as if those two twats that went through tonight auditioned knowing that if they wore OTT clothes and acted like a pair of tools they'd automatically get through despite having 0 talent and that pretty much sums up most people who audition now. There are no naturally funny novelty acts anymore

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But the show isn't a 'joke' with the exception of last year's godawful series (doesn't that tell you something) it has been this way for like...eight years?

I don't think X Factor has been a bonafide talent show since Alexandra's year, and even that might be pushing it. It's weekend primetime entertainment that masquerades as a talent show. Nothing more, nothing less. And the show at its peak was riddled with joke acts and faux dramas - and so it should. If you want a serious singing competition watch The Voice but it's ****ing dull precisely because of that

I second the "even then."

Not hugely indicative I know, but I love in Penelope's ("bad" Spanish singer) Sharon sarcastically repeated "competition" at Simon when he asked if she remembered the rules.

[Heaven = Winner]

Honestly, the lack of diversity is what offends me rather than who actually got through. Two groups that feature 'cute boys' will end up with one of them (probably 5am) getting sent home really early, since they're going to appeal to the same demographic and that's going to hinder their chances in terms of voting. I knew Louis was going to have Ottavio/Bradley through because they fit him to a tee. I just thought he'd put at least one girl act through.

[Tom4784]

Hard to be mad at Louis when it's unlikely that he makes any actual decisions when it comes to who goes through.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Hard to be mad at Louis when it's unlikely that he makes any actual decisions when it comes to who goes through.

Exactly, Simon has a hand in all the final decisions, and as is par for the course some of the choices have been controversial, and I see his female helpers have got no flak for choosing an all male line up