[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

'My' Islamist ?

What made me bring that up was, you appear all too ready to support this town ban to only allow in white Christians and yet you yourself are Jewish. You of all people know what people suffered in the holocaust and how your people were so ruthlessly and needlessly persecuted and yet you think its okay to do the same to others?

Regardless of all the Jews that live in Hungary, this town clearly doesn't want them living there and neither does it want mixed race people like myself or black people like some of my family members.

Racism is abhorrent no matter what form it comes in and the comments on these boards of late appear to be suspiciously far right.

Your Islamists. It's a turn of phrase. You must have heard it before.

You brought up the Jewish community simply because I am a Jew. How tactless of you. And I am not supporting these racists, I am saying... and I'll reapeat it in plain English... if you're going to insist people change their culture, you need to make sure they're okay with it before you foist change on them or this Right turn will happen. I never said I supported it. You have to try to stop pigeon-holing peole from a few lines on a Big Brother forum.

So thanks for the Jewish comparison, it was very... expected.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The actions of Saudi are being used to justify, or lessen, the same actions of these Hungarian Neo-Nazis. It's also quite obviously untrue that "no one ever says anything about it" when it comes to Saudi, or the comparison wouldn't be so quickly drawn in the first place.

The actions of the Saudies are being used as a comparison. No one is justifying anyting, no matter which way you try to spin it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Blatant insults such as the above, that you quite often use, are not the tools of the intelligent. I think you like to over-estimate your own intellectual capacity somewhat.

They may not be intelligent, but they're at least more honest than the hilariously thinly-veiled "covert" attempts made by others, I would say. Can't think where I last saw one of those.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

The actions of the Saudies are being used as a comparison. No one is justifying anyting, no matter which way you try to spin it.

If it wasn't being used as a justification then it has absolutely no bearing, at all, on the rights or wrongs of this Hungarian village. So would be completely irrelevant to the thread.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They may not be intelligent, but they're at least more honest than the hilariously thinly-veiled "covert" attempts made by others, I would say. Can't think where I last saw one of those.

Too honest maybe! Dead giveaway.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If it wasn't being used as a justification then it has absolutely no bearing, at all, on the rights or wrongs of this Hungarian village. So would be completely irrelevant to the thread.

You think I'm supporting the far Right? I made a fair and reasonable comparison, but if muddies the waters of your argument so you go on the offensive.

Jesus ****ing Christ. I was called a liar yesterday. Today I'm a bigot.

And incidentally, you're not the police of what's relevant in a debate.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Your Islamists. It's a turn of phrase. You must have heard it before.

You brought up the Jewish community simply because I am a Jew. How tactless of you. And I am not supporting these racists, I am saying... and I'll reapeat it in plain English... if you're going to insist people change their culture, you need to make sure they're okay with it before you foist change on them or this Right turn will happen. I never said I supported it. You have to try to stop pigeon-holing peole from a few lines on a Big Brother forum.

So thanks for the Jewish comparison, it was very... expected.

Hold on, mentioning the Jewish community is tactless because you yourself are Jewish?

That makes no sense.

What do we know of the advocates of the far right in Hungary, do they include the Jewish community or are they seen as alien too? I think that is the point raised.
How can it be seen as anything positive by yourself if it potentially affects those from your own faith that may once again be viewed as alien.

Personally any far right collaborations and concentrations in any given geographical area would terrify me.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Hold on, mentioning the Jewish community is tactless because you yourself are Jewish?

That makes no sense.

What do we know of the advocates of the far right in Hungary, do they include the Jewish community or are they seen as alien too? I think that is the point raised.
How can it be seen as anything positive by yourself if it potentially affects those from your own faith that may once again be viewed as alien.

Personally any far right collaborations and concentrations in any given geographical area would terrify me.

Yeah, I had a feeling you'd be okay with it.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Hold on, mentioning the Jewish community is tactless because you yourself are Jewish?

That makes no sense.

What do we know of the advocates of the far right in Hungary, do they include the Jewish community or are they seen as alien too? I think that is the point raised.
How can it be seen as anything positive by yourself if it potentially affects those from your own faith that may once again be viewed as alien.

Personally any far right collaborations and concentrations in any given geographical area would terrify me.

As would any far left collaborations/concentrations anywhere terrify many. Dictatorships of any kind are not acceptable and should not be tolerated.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

As would any far left collaborations/concentrations anywhere terrify many. Dictatorships of any kind are not acceptable and should not be tolerated.

Quite so.

Saying something is inevitable given the present circumstances isn't the same as supporting it. Far Right and far Left are the same meat with different gravy. Both equally terrifying...

[Kizzy]

If we could stick to the one in discussion for now and not delve into the realms of hypotheticals... thanks.

[Livia]

Kizzy's worried about the far Right.

You can't mention the far Left though, or you she'll ask you not to delve into the realm of hypotheticals.

Great debate....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Kizzy's worried about the far Right.

You can't mention the far Left though, or you she'll ask you not to delve into the realm of hypotheticals.

Great debate....

Fine you drag it as far into fantasy as you like just don't expect me to follow the straw man dorothy....

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If we could stick to the one in discussion for now and not delve into the realms of hypotheticals... thanks.

Yes ma'am.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Livia

Kizzy's worried about the far Right.

You can't mention the far Left though, or you she'll ask you not to delve into the realm of hypotheticals.

Great debate....

Spot on.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Fine you drag it as far into fantasy as you like just don't expect me to follow the straw man dorothy....

You're just put out because Dorothy dropped a house on your sister

[Niamh.]

Put down the handbags ladies and stop getting personal/insulting eachother

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Put down the handbags ladies and stop getting personal/insulting eachother

Niamh... we both used !!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Niamh... we both used !!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Put down the handbags ladies and stop getting personal/insulting eachother

Hey, the straw man debate reference was apt....APT I SAY!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

Your Islamists. It's a turn of phrase. You must have heard it before.

No I haven't heard it before. What does it mean?

You brought up the Jewish community simply because I am a Jew. How tactless of you.

Why tactless? As a none white person I find the leaders of that town abhorrent and frightening. You are a Jew so why don't you find such a thing abhorrent and frightening too?

And I am not supporting these racists, I am saying... and I'll reapeat it in plain English... if you're going to insist people change their culture, you need to make sure they're okay with it before you foist change on them or this Right turn will happen. I never said I supported it. You have to try to stop pigeon-holing peole from a few lines on a Big Brother forum.

So thanks for the Jewish comparison, it was very... expected.

I lived in Hackney knowing that my Orthodox Jewish neighbours wanted nothing to do with me. I accepted the way they practised their culture which was very different to mine. The Jewish people of Hackney don't insist on people changing their culture to be more fitting with their own and so they didn't need to approach their borough council to check that would be ok!

I also lived just off Mile End Rd and although my Muslim neighbours were cordial with me, I had to accept that their culture was very different to my own. Just like the Jews, the Muslim people of Mile End Rd don't insist on people changing their culture to be more fitting with their own and so they don't need to approach their borough council and check if that's ok.

I find it strange that in large mixed communities we all seem to just get on with things and yet when I visit relatives in Harrogate which has a majority white Christian community, I meet racists by the dozen.

[Tom4784]

You don't respond to extremism with radicalisation, it's rather terrifying that we live in one of the most progressive countries in the world yet there are people who would gladly slide back to the dark ages in order to be petty.

If you want the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face than look no further than this thread.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

No I haven't heard it before. What does it mean?

Why tactless? As a none white person I find the leaders of that town abhorrent and frightening. You are a Jew so why don't you find such a thing abhorrent and frightening too?



I lived in Hackney knowing that my Orthodox Jewish neighbours wanted nothing to do with me. I accepted the way they practised their culture which was very different to mine. The Jewish people of Hackney don't insist on people changing their culture to be more fitting with their own and so they didn't need to approach their borough council to check that would be ok!

I also lived just off Mile End Rd and although my Muslim neighbours were cordial with me, I had to accept that their culture was very different to my own. Just like the Jews, the Muslim people of Mile End Rd don't insist on people changing their culture to be more fitting with their own and so they don't need to approach their borough council and check if that's ok.

I find it strange that in large mixed communities we all seem to just get on with things and yet when I visit relatives in Harrogate which has a majority white Christian community, I meet racists by the dozen.

What has all this got to do with my points in this thread? Nothing.

Gay people died in the holocaust, why not drag them into this on the strength of their homosexuality. Because it's not relevant, that's why.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You don't respond to extremism with radicalisation, it's rather terrifying that we live in one of the most progressive countries in the world yet there are people who would gladly slide back to the dark ages in order to be petty.

If you want the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face than look no further than this thread.

Whose being radical. I along with many others consider the extreme left and PC brigade to be radical so who decides this exactly.

I would perhaps describe our country currently as progressive with the potential of slipping - and I wouldn't put that down to the fault of those who express concerns about certain issues going on in their countries.