[Brother Leon]

What did anyone expect? EU to roll over for us?

Enjoy being Trump's puppy dogs I guess.

[arista]

AsdaWalmart will get more stock from USA
ready for nasty EU blockage



Get your back UPs
ready

[Scarlett.]

It's funny, everything is starting to turn out exactly how the so-called "Project Fear" said it would. It's almost like all those experts knew what they were talking about. This country has gone from being a decently strong country to being the ****show laughing stock of the world, and this is just the start of it. It's all so pointless.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Chewy

It's funny, everything is starting to turn out exactly how the so-called "Project Fear" said it would. It's almost like all those experts knew what they were talking about. This country has gone from being a decently strong country to being the ****show laughing stock of the world, and this is just the start of it. It's all so pointless.

How on earth do you come to that conclusion. Fear getting a stranglehold.

I think quite a few other EU countries are watching what happens with intensity as they are probably not so far away from doing the same thing. The EU fear this which is why they are trying so hard to intimidate us and stop us leaving.

I don't think the world is laughing at us, it is laughing at the EU as it steadfastly destroys Europe.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

How on earth do you come to that conclusion. Fear getting a stranglehold.

I think quite a few other EU countries are watching what happens with intensity as they are probably not so far away from doing the same thing. The EU fear this which is why they are trying so hard to intimidate us and stop us leaving.

I don't think the world is laughing at us, it is laughing at the EU as it steadfastly destroys Europe.

U.K. leaves the EU without good trade deals
EU refuses to give U.K.any good trade deal
Leavers: haha eu is so dumb, the whole world is laughing at them right now

I don't think this is the right thread to declare your blind faith tbh

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

U.K. leaves the EU without good trade deals
EU refuses to give U.K.any good trade deal
Leavers: haha eu is so dumb, the whole world is laughing at them right now

I don't think this is the right thread to declare your blind faith tbh

Too early to be panicking. Not blind faith at all. Do you usually believe in giving in at the first sign of trouble? Or has it got more to do with agendas!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Too early to be panicking. Not blind faith at all. Do you usually believe in giving in at the first sign of trouble? Or has it got more to do with agendas!

I believe in calling a spade a spade.
Haven't commented properly on Brexit in months because there's not much point in filling in the gaps imo.
This is actual news though. And you sticking your noes up at it makes your argument very weak. So stop fighting with your agendas Brillo, you're inadvertently ruining them. If you can't be trusted to call a spade a spade, then nobody will take any of your other Brexit-related posts seriously in the future..
Brexit might be alright overall, too soon to tell, but in regards to the OP, this is undoubtedly a disaster. Pretending it is anything else is silly because let's call a spade a spade.

[Livia]

They're taking a strong stance because with so many Euriopean elections on the horizon, they're crapping themselves. Still it amuses me to watch unelected officials panicking.

[Niamh.]

I've deleted some posts in here, stay ontopic please......eachother isn't the topic

[Tom4784]

I don't think the EU are worried at all. We're in a bad position and Brexit hasn't been the shining poster child for leaving the EU thus far that a lot of leavers thought it would be. The leadership is incompetent and we're already flailing. It won't likely inspire any other country to leave as it stands.

Having an arrogant attitude of 'The EU is scared! Brexit will be a revolution that will break the EU!' will get us nowhere and neither will blind faith. The best thing we can do is accept that reality of the situation, things are bad and May is dangerously incompetent and will go whichever way the wind blows. Negotiations must be salvaged because we aren't in a strong enough position to be arrogant at this stage.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't think the EU are worried at all. We're in a bad position and Brexit hasn't been the shining poster child for leaving the EU thus far that a lot of leavers thought it would be. The leadership is incompetent and we're already flailing. It won't likely inspire any other country to leave as it stands.

Having an arrogant attitude of 'The EU is scared! Brexit will be a revolution that will break the EU!' will get us nowhere and neither will blind faith. The best thing we can do is accept that reality of the situation, things are bad and May is dangerously incompetent and will go whichever way the wind blows. Negotiations must be salvaged because we aren't in a strong enough position to be arrogant at this stage.

And who do you suggest for this mammoth task - it clearly wouldn't be Corbyn.

Wouldn't trust Farron either. May is the Priminister and likely to remain so - it is her job and with the right support from her team, no one can do it on their own, she is the woman for the job. To describe her as dangerously incompetent is silly.

Our position is as strong as our self belief and our value of our strengths i.e. Security expertise.

I'm just relieved we are not likely to be lumbered with the Corbyn/Abbot combo - what a disaster that would be.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And who do you suggest for this mammoth task - it clearly wouldn't be Corbyn.

Wouldn't trust Farron either. May is the Priminister and likely to remain so - it is her job and with the right support from her team, no one can do it on their own, she is the woman for the job. To describe her as dangerously incompetent is silly.

Our position is as strong as our self belief and our value of our strengths i.e. Security expertise.

She's shown herself to be incompetent by constantly changing her stance on issues, how can she stand for anything when her administration are constantly changing their minds on what stances to take?

Corbyn would at least be consistent in his goals and would ironically be more likely to get a brexit deal that leavers would be happy with given that he is more likely to stick to his guns than May is as she's gonna fold when things start to get difficult.

I don't want the Lib Dems anywhere near Downing Street, people made the mistake of voting Leave and now they need to accept the consequences, I don't want the Lib Dems to bail them out.

Either way, the Tories have shown themselves to be unequal to the task.

Your point about Self Belief is just plain silly. If a house is burning down having a strong sense of Self Belief that it isn't burning down isn't going to stop the house from burning the **** down. Accepting the reality of the situation we're in is the only way forward, delusion gets us nowhere.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

She's shown herself to be incompetent by constantly changing her stance on issues, how can she stand for anything when her administration are constantly changing their minds on what stances to take?

Corbyn would at least be consistent in his goals and would ironically be more likely to get a brexit deal that leavers would be happy with given that he is more likely to stick to his guns than May is as she's gonna fold when things start to get difficult.

I don't want the Lib Dems anywhere near Downing Street, people made the mistake of voting Leave and now they need to accept the consequences, I don't want the Lib Dems to bail them out.

Either way, the Tories have shown themselves to be unequal to the task.

Your point about Self Belief is just plain silly. If a house is burning down having a strong sense of Self Belief that it isn't burning down isn't going to stop the house from burning the **** down. Accepting the reality of the situation we're in is the only way forward, delusion gets us nowhere.

I think self belief gives you confidence and confidence makes you stronger.

That confidence generally puts you in a stronger position in negotiations, as you are less likely to take any crap and more likely fight for what you want. Don't knock it.

Despite how much you knock this country we do have a lot to offer and the EU know that - even though they are not going to admit it for obvious reasons.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I think self belief gives you confidence and confidence makes you stronger.

That confidence generally puts you in a stronger position in negotiations, as you are less likely to take any crap and more likely fight for what you want. Don't knock it.

Despite how much you knock this country we do have a lot to offer and the EU know that - even though they are not going to admit it for obvious reasons.

Its not about knocking the country, its about knocking government policies. Democracy gives us the right to disagree with those policies.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I think self belief gives you confidence and confidence makes you stronger.

That confidence generally puts you in a stronger position in negotiations, as you are less likely to take any crap and more likely fight for what you want. Don't knock it.

Despite how much you knock this country we do have a lot to offer and the EU know that - even though they are not going to admit it for obvious reasons.

It isn't a job interview where we can blag it through confidence alone, it's a negotiation in which EU knows it holds all the cards.

Ah the ol' patriotic act to try to silence any dissenting opinions, a weak ploy for people who can't argue their position any other way.

We don't have a leg to stand on, that is the reality here. Deluding yourself into thinking differently won't change that.

[DemolitionRed]

Nobody wants to hang anyone. Its human nature to side with people who share our identity. Its also human nature to change our ideas but in May's case, we are talking about our expectations through preference politics. When a PM is in the habit of regularly changing their mind, how are we to believe or trust in their election campaign promises?

[DemolitionRed]

Since becoming PM, she promised a Britain that would work for everyone before changing her mind and introducing more crippling cuts to benefits.

She claimed she wanted to heavily invest to save the NHS and then changed her mind and implemented more cuts.

She said she wanted a fairer education for everyone before pushing ahead with the idea of grammar schools.

It just feels divisive.