[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

A handful, more like many millions of religious people of three different faiths.

The earliest accounts of Jerusalem is, it was a dynasty of Egypt and remained so for 500 years. Since that period its been captured 44 times. The first owners of what is now called Jerusalem were Pagans.

If you believe that Jerusalem isn't a big deal to Christians and Muslims and that it should become Israels capital, then you agree with violation of international law and agree with the further annexation of Israel. You become apposed to the anti-Zionist Jews and support the Zionist.

There are lots of Christians living quite happily as Israeli citizens. There are lots of Muslims living quite happily as citizens. But the Muslim you are referring to, the ones who still treat their women like second class citizens (women can't vote in Palestine... they can in Israel). You're referring to the people who fire rockets daily into Jerusalem, hiding in amongst women and children. They're the ones who want a two state solution.... which is fine! Only THEY want Jerusalem as their capital. And that will never happen.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

There are lots of Christians living quite happily as Israeli citizens. There are lots of Muslims living quite happily as citizens. But the Muslim you are referring to, the ones who still treat their women like second class citizens (women can't vote in Palestine... they can in Israel). You're referring to the people who fire rockets daily into Jerusalem, hiding in amongst women and children. They're the ones who want a two state solution.... which is fine! Only THEY want Jerusalem as their capital. And that will never happen.

There are extreme factions of the Jewish Faith too that subjugate women, it's not exclusive remember.
Those issues in the main culture not faith based and have in the past been more moderate, what we see is a bastardisation of a culture and faith to create the normalisation of extremism.
This can happen in any faith.

The idea that any military retaliation avoids women and children is of course wrong, as with any conflict it's always the innocent that suffer.

[bots]

Berlin was a great example of how well a split city works

Given that the city is within Israel at the present time, they are entitled to make whatever city is within their borders, their capital. If and when that situation changes, then it can be revised, but not before

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Berlin was a great example of how well a split city works

Given that the city is within Israel at the present time, they are entitled to make whatever city is within their borders, their capital. If and when that situation changes, then it can be revised, but not before

The Palestinians don't want a split city either. They want their own state, which is a great idea. But they want Jerusalem as its capital. It's always going to be the sticking point for a peace process.

[DemolitionRed]

Zionism is not the establishment of the true Zion. The true Zion reconciles all Semitic religions… Jews, Arabs and Christians and the true Zion can never be nationalistic. Now I totally understand why the Jews wanted a land, a place for political independence, the problem I have is, they stole that state from someone else and they did that under the name 'Zionism' the very thing Zion isn't.

[DemolitionRed]

I was looking for a video by Miko Peled the son Jewish of an Israeli Generals. There's a lot of stuff by him out there and he wrote a book which is worth reading called, 'The Generals Son'.

This particular video is fairly long (about 28 minutes) but well worth watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCKWDarNdGw

One of the things he talks about towards the end of the video is the 'The none violent resistance movement in Palestine'. This resistant movement is mainly made up of Jews and Arabs and its getting bigger by the day.

[Northern Monkey]

Sorry for posting this clown but he sometimes makes sense

Youtube video

[DemolitionRed]

America have been blocking UN Security Council resolutions since the Cold War ended because it relies on everything they do to the Middle East and contains Russia, which in turn protects global oil... which America see as theirs. Israel is used time and again as the impending threat.

$38 billion sent to fund free health aid when America don't even have such a thing?!?! One thing for sure, when it comes to foreign policy America is not a neutral broker.

[Kizzy]

Is it like us with Saudi... We don't officially support what they are doing in Yemen but unoffically we do?

So if we were to say that was ok now officially it would be us 'doing a trump'?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

Is it like us with Saudi... We don't officially support what they are doing in Yemen but unoffically we do?

So if we were to say that was ok now officially it would be us 'doing a trump'?

Our very blatant support for Riyadh’s campaign is sickening.

[Tom4784]

The situation between Israel and Palestine will never be resolved, especially with outside agitators like Trump adding fuel to the fire. The best thing foreign nations can do is to try to stay out of situations like that, international interference rarely helps volatile situations improve. Situations like Israel/Palestine and North/South Korea have a lot of potential for escalation and we should leave them to it, the UN can impose sanctions on either side if they break international law but aside from that, actions like Trump's are just lighting a fuse that is going to result in a loss of innocent life on both sides.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The situation between Israel and Palestine will never be resolved, especially with outside agitators like Trump adding fuel to the fire. The best thing foreign nations can do is to try to stay out of situations like that, international interference rarely helps volatile situations improve. Situations like Israel/Palestine and North/South Korea have a lot of potential for escalation and we should leave them to it, the UN can impose sanctions on either side if they break international law but aside from that, actions like Trump's are just lighting a fuse that is going to result in a loss of innocent life on both sides.

I think it will be resolved but it will be on a humanitarian level. As Miko Peled says, peaceful resistance movements are growing by the day. Awareness and truth, especially amongst younger Israeli people is growing by the day. There are peace activists in Israelis who send messages of love to Iran and Iranians sending messages of love back to Israel. You don't have to look far to find it. Its very much a thing.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I think it will be resolved but it will be on a humanitarian level. As Miko Peled says, peaceful resistance movements are growing by the day. Awareness and truth, especially amongst younger Israeli people is growing by the day. There are peace activists in Israelis who send messages of love to Iran and Iranians sending messages of love back to Israel. You don't have to look far to find it. Its very much a thing.

But then you'll get irritants like Donald Trump who will keep putting back the peace process.

I don't think it'll be something that will end in our lifetimes.

[Livia]

Israel may agree to a two state solution but they will never relinquish Jerusalem, so it's maybe a good thing it's been brought up now, so that no one is labouring under the misapprehension that the Israelis will ever hand over Jerusalem to the Palestinians. Any peace process that follows will be clear on that fact.

I think most people know how I feel about Trump, but he is only the mouthpiece for this. The Senate voted for this six months ago and their vote was unanimous. It's not something Donald thought up on his own.