[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I didn't hear him say that part. I just heard him explaining something about being uncomfortable with the idea a man might fancy him personally.

That was afterwards when Shane confronted him. Before that he said Andrew would be out the club and he'd cancel the meet up that they had planned

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

That was afterwards when Shane confronted him. Before that he said Andrew would be out the club and he'd cancel the meet up that they had planned

Oh I didn't see that bit. In that case I think he was very wrong. What Andrew and Shane J do sexually or romantically is none of his business and it shouldn't have any bearing on being part of a friendly social occasion with them.

[Epic.]

At least Winston McKenzie had funny moments to his ignorance and repeated slandering over it. This prick, not so much

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Epic.

At least Winston McKenzie had funny moments to his ignorance and repeated slandering over it. This prick, not so much

i was just thinking about Winston yesterday he was a scream

[JerseyWins]

Disappointed, that's about it. He came across poorly all episode, from the comment to the explanation, and even before all of that when he was already discussing the bed situation before he was even saved. Confident much?

Originally Posted by Epic.

At least Winston McKenzie had funny moments to his ignorance and repeated slandering over it. This prick, not so much

Yeah but the hurtfulness of each person's comments/beliefs are also on different levels.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Disappointed, that's about it. He came across poorly all episode, from the comment to the explanation, and even before all of that when he was already discussing the bed situation before he was even saved. Confident much?

So true.

[thisisdanny]

Originally Posted by Epic.

At least Winston McKenzie had funny moments to his ignorance and repeated slandering over it. This prick, not so much

Trying to get Tiffany in his bed was iconic

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by thisisdanny

Trying to get Tiffany in his bed was iconic

'No he's gonna get excited and his blood pressure's gonna go up, let's not start the geeza' off '

[Lilac hills]

Why do people keep saying he’s allowed his opinion btw. That’s not what’s being debated everyone is allowed to think as they wish ofc it’s not like they will drop dead by some divine everytime they say smth controversial, it’s the implications and intricacies of what he said that are being tackled here. It’s a mindset that a community of people that were oppressed for the longest time have been fighting to abolish for years, and the fact that there are powerful and influential people who still hold these mindsets is really a detriment to this community and it’s work for freedom

It’s not as black and white as ‘free speech duh huh’ open ur mind pplz

[MTVN]

I think his explanation was pretty lousy, just saying that's how he thinks even though he knows it's wrong basically saying he's comfortable having a homophobic attitude and has no interest in changing that. I was quite liking him but that will have done him a lot of damage

[jaxie]

I don't think I'd call him homophobic based on what I saw of that conversation though he very well might be. I'd say he was being fairly honest about straight men feeling insecure about gay men which is a fact, some do.

Does feeling uncertain about something different make you against it or opposed to it? I don't know if its as simple as that.

[T*]

Nicky CANCELLED

[chuff me dizzy]

He's allowed his opinion,and its as valid as everyone else's

[BBUK-Fan]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He's allowed his opinion,and its as valid as everyone else's

Yep

[RileyH]

He’s allowed an opinion guys, calm down!
BBUK-Fan, chuff me dizzy, Gusto Brunt, Nicky91, Northern Monkey

Anyone complaining needs to have a check on themselves!
Nicky91

[Bones]

Legend!

[Patricia4]

He’s allowed an opinion like everyone is.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Patricia4

He’s allowed an opinion like everyone is.

Not on here he's not Patricia

[Robodog]

John took the time with Shane J to explain himself, to listen to Shane's perspective and the vibe between them was respectful, friendly and kind

If John was homophobic (as the hysterical hate-mob would like to think he is) then he really wouldn't be giving Shane the time of day, let alone be so respectful and kind

Shane was clearly ok with the chat, as he described it to Malika afterwards

Of course we are all allowed to disagree on subjects. As long as we respect each other and respect our differences, - like Shane J and John did - then no problem

People who try and make more of it than that are the kind of people who are looking for trouble, and usually end up making things worse for everyone

Good on Shane and good on John for having such mature, honest, open discussion on the subject.

Haters can learn a lot from them.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Robodog

John took the time with Shane J to explain himself, to listen to Shane's perspective and the vibe between them was respectful, friendly and kind

If John was homophobic (as the hysterical hate-mob would like to think he is) then he really wouldn't be giving Shane the time of day, let alone be so respectful and kind

Shane was clearly ok with the chat, as he described it to Malika afterwards

Of course we are all allowed to disagree on subjects. As long as we respect each other and respect our differences, - like Shane J and John did - then no problem

People who try and make more of it than that are the kind of people who are looking for trouble, and usually end up making things worse for everyone

Good on Shane and good on John for having such mature, honest, open discussion on the subject.

Haters can learn a lot from them.

A very grown up comment

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Robodog

John took the time with Shane J to explain himself, to listen to Shane's perspective and the vibe between them was respectful, friendly and kind

If John was homophobic (as the hysterical hate-mob would like to think he is) then he really wouldn't be giving Shane the time of day, let alone be so respectful and kind

Shane was clearly ok with the chat, as he described it to Malika afterwards

Of course we are all allowed to disagree on subjects. As long as we respect each other and respect our differences, - like Shane J and John did - then no problem

People who try and make more of it than that are the kind of people who are looking for trouble, and usually end up making things worse for everyone

Good on Shane and good on John for having such mature, honest, open discussion on the subject.

Haters can learn a lot from them.

Good post

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Robodog

John took the time with Shane J to explain himself, to listen to Shane's perspective and the vibe between them was respectful, friendly and kind

If John was homophobic (as the hysterical hate-mob would like to think he is) then he really wouldn't be giving Shane the time of day, let alone be so respectful and kind

Shane was clearly ok with the chat, as he described it to Malika afterwards

Of course we are all allowed to disagree on subjects. As long as we respect each other and respect our differences, - like Shane J and John did - then no problem

People who try and make more of it than that are the kind of people who are looking for trouble, and usually end up making things worse for everyone

Good on Shane and good on John for having such mature, honest, open discussion on the subject.

Haters can learn a lot from them.

Very mature and intelligent comment

The same ones calling John homophobic should look at themselves, everyone is so hypocritical and fickle.

They are waiting to see someone trip up or say something they don't like so they can scream "prejudice" .

I hate the witch Hunt mentality .

And as I've said John is clearly open and friendly around Shane J and why have a short memory and forgetting John watched Shane J took.

Pretty sure if he was uncomfortable around Shane J he wouldn't be of sat watching that demonstration .

Plus John even kissed Courtney on the cheek when he met "her" and didn't seem bothered .

He gets on with Amanda as well

[Beso]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Very mature and intelligent comment

The same ones calling John homophobic should look at themselves, everyone is so hypocritical and fickle.

They are waiting to see someone trip up or say something they don't like so they can scream "prejudice" .

I hate the witch Hunt mentality .

And as I've said John is clearly open and friendly around Shane J and why have a short memory and forgetting John watched Shane J took.

Pretty sure if he was uncomfortable around Shane J he wouldn't be of sat watching that demonstration .

Plus John even kissed Courtney on the cheek when he met "her" and didn't seem bothered .

He gets on with Amanda as well

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Very mature and intelligent comment

The same ones calling John homophobic should look at themselves, everyone is so hypocritical and fickle.

They are waiting to see someone trip up or say something they don't like so they can scream "prejudice" .

I hate the witch Hunt mentality .

And as I've said John is clearly open and friendly around Shane J and why have a short memory and forgetting John watched Shane J took.

Pretty sure if he was uncomfortable around Shane J he wouldn't be of sat watching that demonstration .

Plus John even kissed Courtney on the cheek when he met "her" and didn't seem bothered .

He gets on with Amanda as well

[Lilac hills]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Very mature and intelligent comment

The same ones calling John homophobic should look at themselves, everyone is so hypocritical and fickle.

They are waiting to see someone trip up or say something they don't like so they can scream "prejudice" .

I hate the witch Hunt mentality .

And as I've said John is clearly open and friendly around Shane J and why have a short memory and forgetting John watched Shane J took.

Pretty sure if he was uncomfortable around Shane J he wouldn't be of sat watching that demonstration .

Plus John even kissed Courtney on the cheek when he met "her" and didn't seem bothered .

He gets on with Amanda as well

While I do agree there is a bit of a witch hunt mentally around things like this, of which I’m personally not fond of, it doesn’t take away that the crux of what he said heavily implies homophobia, and from the way he acted after Shane j contronfted him I don’t believe it was satirical. We’re debating the implications of his comment, not him, of which is defended by the same free speech argument people excusing John are using.

I don’t see how anyone is hypocritical for callling out homophobia, and yes sure changing an opinion on a housemate so severely in such a short period of a time might appeal fickle, but I fail to see how it isn’t warranted in this case, especially since the mouth where it came from has campaigned about prejudice regarding race and other things in football.