[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

so WHY was i ignored was it bc y’all knew i was in the right and just wanted to brush the whole thing under the rug?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Sullen Girl

vicky you’re the only mod to post in here so WHY was my pm ignored? i’m assuming ever mod sees the messages sent to the tibb staff robot?

No. James and Josy get tibbstaff messages. I used to also but it seems to not send them to me now. Josy has been away for a while. I think I remember James commenting on that actually in admin. But it was decided that it would stand, so I assume thats why you did not get an answer, or because James forgot after posting in the infraction thread. Can bring it up that even if the decision is not going to be reversed, and answer should still be given? Problem there is, so many people just send in totally random rants as replies to infractions, and it would be a huge pain in the arse for admin to send replies to every single moan.

Originally Posted by Adam.

No mod has ever answered this but why was i infracted and given a 2 day ban last year but the Infraction was revoked but not the ban?

That will have been a mistake. The system is weird, when we reverse the infractions I think it should automatically reverse bans as..that makes sense. But it doesn't and whoever reversed it will have just overlooked that. Did you not message again?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

No mod has ever answered this but why was i infracted and given a 2 day ban last year but the Infraction was revoked but not the ban?

if you reverse an infraction it doesn't unban you automatically, that has to be done separately so whoever did it must have forgot to unban you. I can't check it right now though because I'm on my phone

[Marsh.]

I'm sorry but a rule like "No name calling" being in place and there also being context so like Scott and Smithy calling each other slags would not warrant an infraction when they're pissing about in the chat thread. Versus someone saying it in serious debates. That's just common sense.

That's not a reason to not have any actual structure imo.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

That will have been a mistake. The system is weird, when we reverse the infractions I think it should automatically reverse bans as..that makes sense. But it doesn't and whoever reversed it will have just overlooked that. Did you not message again?

I messaged the robot but was ignored

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I don't know, I've found it relatively easy to avoid receiving infractions. If you think there's a chance you're going to be infracted for saying something then just don't say it. That's all I can say really.

That's not the point though when you know what you're saying is within the rules but will be infracted. OR, more common, a different poster who said similar wouldn't have their posts removed.

[Marsh.]

But I've debated this stuff so much I got bored of it like ages ago. So... nothing will change so what's the point.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

also maybe slightly off topic but i got infracted for posting that pepe meme where he has his dick out yet i’ve seen people post actual nudity

this is the pic i was referring to btw i’m not posting it to bait so don’t infract me please

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idk i feel attacked

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I messaged the robot but was ignored

Probably better off to message a mod in future

[Denver]

I was also Infracted for saying i thought a forum member was older then they said and it wasnt even in a nasty way like how is that fair

[Marsh.]

There's an awful lot of "They must have forgot"


Salman returns: I've been banned for SIX YEARS!!!!

Mod: Josy's been really busy she forgot to change it to six days. Chill!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I'm sorry but a rule like "No name calling" being in place and there also being context so like Scott and Smithy calling each other slags would not warrant an infraction when they're pissing about in the chat thread. Versus someone saying it in serious debates. That's just common sense.

That's not a reason to not have any actual structure imo.

But thats already challenging the consistency you claim you want?

Basically this sounds a bit like..mod other people harshly but not me and my friends. Which is usually whats meant by these threads.

If blanket rules were made up, blanket rules apply across the board. To everyone. In every thread.

Hence needing context to matter

[Jay.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Masala Masood?

That would be it, yes

[Vicky.]

There's an awful lot of "They must have forgot"

Yeah **** this. Smithy I was willing to answer your questions in this thread but theres no point at all as I can already see where this is going. Just yet another let say the mods are crap and such. I genuinely am so close to being done with modding this site.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

There's an awful lot of "They must have forgot"


Salman returns: I've been banned for SIX YEARS!!!!

Mod: Josy's been really busy she forgot to change it to six days. Chill!

Are you serious? bloody hell, terribly sorry we're only humans who do this s**t for nothing

[Jordan.]

I haven't had an infraction since 2010 when she used to be popular

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But thats already challenging the consistency you claim you want?

Basically this sounds a bit like..mod other people harshly but not me and my friends. Which is usually whats meant by these threads.

If blanket rules were made up, blanket rules apply across the board. To everyone. In every thread.

Hence needing context to matter

No it's not.

It's the difference between two people having a laugh and someone insulting another member in a serious debate.

The idea of a rule being "members must not call other members a twat" is ridiculous as there's a million contexts in which this would happen.

Friends messing about, however, doesn't fall under "don't insult other members".

[Marsh.]

Also I remember a time when avoiding the swear filter earned infractions. I guess mods just admitted defeat with that one?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Are you serious? bloody hell, terribly sorry we're only humans who do this s**t for nothing

Omg it was a joke you silly girl!

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

because it makes no sense to do it this way. Context is often important . Like, if we had it set so that everytime someone called someone else an idiot it was an infraction, fair enough. But then in the chat thread, there would be a bunch given out per day and we would still be in the wrong

But common sense has to be used, especially in C&G if people are clearly joking then you obviously wouldn’t infract someone, for example the other day in my birthday thread (dezzy I think) said happy birthday you slag (or something along those lines) it’s quite obviously a joke, unless somebody explicitly complains or it’s reported or leads to an argument then you can’t really compare the two

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There is a set system also in a way. There are set points for each thing. But its impossible to moderate a forum like this with completely set rules..I mean lets think of a random example that we could have for total consistency with no thinking of the context or anything else. Racism = instant ban. Seems fair enough. But some people would class saying the N word was racism (hopefully all would think this). Some would class saying immigration needs to be controlled as racism. So even then, someone has to use their judgement to if the comment is actually racist or not

But again, surely that just comes down to common sense, it doesn’t take a genius to see what is racist or not, that being said or not, why not using the warning system to remind members that certain points such as the one you mentioned could be perceived as racist by others, but again, only if it has offended someone, or somebody has reported the post

Insults are either a warning, 1 point, 3 points, 5 points, or we can chose to ban outright depending on the severity. Would you really prefer every single post that could be perceived as an insult to have 5 points or something? I think..be careful what you wish for with that one tbh

No I really do think that there should be a flat out one point system, this is the rules (excluded irrelevant ones) from a different site I post on, and I’ve never once seen anyone complain about the system because it’s fair

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Penalties

Reminders are warnings with no points attached. These are issued to new members, for first time offenses and content that isn’t severe enough to receive a full warning.
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Warnings are points issued to members that break the rules. Points accumulate and expire over a period of time depending on the violation. Accumulated points will result in a ban from the forum after reaching a certain limit.*You can view your warnings in your profile.
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14 Day Ban — Occurs when member reaches 5 active warning points, or gets warned when they already have 5 active warning points.*(Currently inactive due to issue with forum software)
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60 Day Ban — Occurs when member reaches 10 active warning points, or gets warned when they already have 10 active warning points. (Important Note: This ban may take effect even with expired points; see this thread for clarification)

Abrasive — 1 point, expires in 60 days
Your comment was rude and/or hurtful to other members or staff.*
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Disruptive — 1 point, expires in 30 days
You did one of the following:
- Spammed gifs/images/smileys/random keys
- Posted a pointless thread or too many times in a row
- Intentionally used a fake, misleading or attention-seeking thread title
- Used all caps in a thread title or capitalized one or more words for the sole purpose of hyping the thread
- Bumped one or more old threads for no reason
- Posted in a language other than English when the thread did not call for it
- Typed or formatted your posts in a disruptive or annoying style
- Participated in disruptive group behavior
- Intentionally fooled the profanity censor
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Flamebait — 1 point, expires in 30 days
You started a thread or posted a reply that just seems to be fishing for an argument, or you perpetuated an argument by quoting such posts.
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Insensitive — 1 point, expires in 60 days
You posted something disturbing or highly polarizing with no concern for other people’s feelings.
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Vulgar — 1 point, expires in 60 days
You posted sexually suggestive content.
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Spoiler — 1 point, expires in 30 days
You posted information that gives away major plot details of a movie, TV show, book or video game. For more information on this, see the Entertainment guidelines.*
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Personal Attack — 2 points, expires in 90 days
You personally attacked another member, viciously and/or repeatedly, on the forum or on their wall.

File Share Request — 1 point, never expires
You requested a link to an illegal download or an illegal download website, either directly or by hinting at it.
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Graphic — 2 points, expires in 90 days
You posted content of a highly violent, discomforting or sexual nature.
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Offensive — 2 points, expires in 1 year
You posted something racist, homophobic, or otherwise discriminatory.
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Explicit — 2 points, expires in 1 year
You posted a sexually or violently explicit image or your profile info contains sexually or violently explicit content.
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Duplicate — 1+ points, 3 month ban, never expires
We’ve discovered that you have a duplicate account and are carrying on a second persona.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

You already know why this was. People used to be able to see how many points they had, and they would post about how they infractions had all expired so they were going to insult people, then when they got close to a ban again they would calm down purposely until one expired, then start again. Basically its this way, as people abused it. Like the appeals section.

It’s the same now though, people can still see when their infractions expire and it doesn’t take a genius to see if you have three outstanding infractions then you’ll be, less inflammatory let’s say to reduce the risk of you getting infractions, The fact is, before the points system was removed from view, members still got banned, so clearly that logic is faulted

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No it's not.

It's the difference between two people having a laugh and someone insulting another member in a serious debate.

The idea of a rule being "members must not call other members a twat" is ridiculous as there's a million contexts in which this would happen.

Friends messing about, however, doesn't fall under "don't insult other members".

But we're then expected to know who is friends with who at a particular time, I've often read posts in the chat thread thinking 2 people are having a laugh and then 2 minutes later one of them is reporting the other one for insults

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Omg it was a joke you silly girl!

See what I mean though, you were joking, I thought you were serious

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I don't know, I've found it relatively easy to avoid receiving infractions. If you think there's a chance you're going to be infracted for saying something then just don't say it. That's all I can say really.

But as people have said, they’ve been infracted for things that they didn’t think was intractable

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah **** this. Smithy I was willing to answer your questions in this thread but theres no point at all as I can already see where this is going. Just yet another let say the mods are crap and such. I genuinely am so close to being done with modding this site.

Wat

[Smithy]

This isn’t me attacking anyone, this is me just trying to make a fairer system

[Smithy]

Martin Luther King realness