[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf that is more likely than this Corbyn case as alot of people try to find child porn sites and then report it to The Police or other forms of Law Enforcement.

It does sound dodgy though.

he ended up on the sex offenders register so it was an excuse that wasn't believed

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he ended up on the sex offenders register so it was an excuse that wasn't believed

I don't know much about the case, but good then if he really swings that way. Personally I don't think that Paedophiles should be allowed out of prison as they're a permanent danger to children.

[chuff me dizzy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36647458


His own party didnt want him,but he refused to walk away ... Such bloody arrogance

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36647458


His own party didnt want him,but he refused to walk away ... Such bloody arrogance

That's because the Labour voters wanted him tbf.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That's because the Labour voters wanted him tbf.

Not the old Labour voters, they know him of old

[DemolitionRed]

I'm a FB follower of Palestine Live and I'm also a follower of Frontline Israel and Jewish Voice for Labour. The reason I follow these groups is because I'm interested in both Israeli and Palestinian politics. With at least two of these (not Jewish Voice for Labour) groups you get some muppets saying stupid racist things but you just ignore them, or you don't understand them because they are writing in Arabic or Yiddish.

This video is on Palestine Live, though I had to go to YT to copy it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEtF9_yuAnM This is the sort of thing I'd expect to see when I go on groups like this.

So why did Corbyn join such a group... political interest? or as he suggests, did someone else join him? and is that group similar to Palestine Live with the same few idiots trying to have their bigoted say?

All political groups attract unsavory characters. Even on here we get people who are staunchly anti Muslim but that doesn't make everyone who joins or partakes on this site anti-Muslim.

I certainly don't think Corbyn is anti Jew. I believe he's anti apartheid but a Jew hater? come on!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I'm a FB follower of Palestine Live and I'm also a follower of Frontline Israel and Jewish Voice for Labour. The reason I follow these groups is because I'm interested in both Israeli and Palestinian politics. With at least two of these (not Jewish Voice for Labour) groups you get some muppets saying stupid racist things but you just ignore them, or you don't understand them because they are writing in Arabic or Yiddish.

This video is on Palestine Live, though I had to go to YT to copy it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEtF9_yuAnM This is the sort of thing I'd expect to see when I go on groups like this.

So why did Corbyn join such a group... political interest? or as he suggests, did someone else join him? and is that group similar to Palestine Live with the same few idiots trying to have their bigoted say?

All political groups attract unsavory characters. Even on here we get people who are staunchly anti Muslim but that doesn't make everyone who joins or partakes on this site anti-Muslim.

I certainly don't think Corbyn is anti Jew. I believe he's anti apartheid but a Jew hater? come on!

You get unsavoury characters from all walks of life but few are trying to be PM. Few admire terrorists and want to invite them to Westminster. You can’t compare people arguing on a BB site to an aspiring PM who wants a huge say in the running of this country. There are far too many question marks hanging over him for people to ignore them. And no one who distrusts him is going to be reassured by your views.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You get unsavoury characters from all walks of life but few are trying to be PM. Few admire terrorists and want to invite them to Westminster. You can’t compare people arguing on a BB site to an aspiring PM who wants a huge say in the running of this country. There are far too many question marks hanging over him for people to ignore them. And no one who distrusts him is going to be reassured by your views.

Unfortunately some people can't, or won't, do the adding up Brillo, except when it comes to adding up the extra few pounds Corbyn promises to put in their pockets from his money tree.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jet

Unfortunately some people can't, or won't, do the adding up Brillo, except when it comes to adding up the extra few pounds Corbyn promises to put in their pockets from his money tree.

It will need to be a magic money tree Jet to finance all his ‘promises’. He reminds me of the pied piper with all his ridiculous claims. Anything to get what he wants. Once in he will have free reign and somehow I don’t think that is going to be good for Britain.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It will need to be a magic money tree Jet to finance all his ‘promises’. He reminds me of the pied piper with all his ridiculous claims. Anything to get what he wants. Once in he will have free reign and somehow I don’t think that is going to be good for Britain.

Yep, like the ridiculous claims he made to get students to vote for him (he couldn't even say where the money was going to come from, the fool - that interview was hilarious) - and the u turn he made over Brexit...but some still believe he's Mr. Wonderful.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I'm a FB follower of Palestine Live and I'm also a follower of Frontline Israel and Jewish Voice for Labour. The reason I follow these groups is because I'm interested in both Israeli and Palestinian politics. With at least two of these (not Jewish Voice for Labour) groups you get some muppets saying stupid racist things but you just ignore them, or you don't understand them because they are writing in Arabic or Yiddish.

This video is on Palestine Live, though I had to go to YT to copy it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEtF9_yuAnM This is the sort of thing I'd expect to see when I go on groups like this.

So why did Corbyn join such a group... political interest? or as he suggests, did someone else join him? and is that group similar to Palestine Live with the same few idiots trying to have their bigoted say?

All political groups attract unsavory characters. Even on here we get people who are staunchly anti Muslim but that doesn't make everyone who joins or partakes on this site anti-Muslim.

I certainly don't think Corbyn is anti Jew. I believe he's anti apartheid but a Jew hater? come on!

This is strictly UNTRUE Red - There is not a shred of evidence to justify stating so matter-of-factly that ANYONE on here is 'Anti-Muslim'. They are NOT.

What some members are - myself included - are staunchly ANTI-MUSLIM TERRORIST.

And what's more, we have ALL gone to elaborate lengths in one form or another to point out that we are NOT referring to ALL Muslims per se.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This is strictly UNTRUE Red - There is not a shred of evidence to justify stating so matter-of-factly that ANYONE on here is 'Anti-Muslim'. They are NOT.

What some members are - myself included - are staunchly ANTI-MUSLIM TERRORIST.

And what's more, we have ALL gone to elaborate lengths in one form or another to point out that we are NOT referring to ALL Muslims per se.

I don't know how closely you've followed while away Kirk but I'm quite content in saying that there are members who are anti Muslim culture, completely unrelated to terrorism / extremism. Debatably justified in some cases, maybe (e.g. Muslim culture vs women's rights), not so much in others (a general sentiment that the inclusion of Muslim festivities over the holiday period is wrong as it erodes British tradition).

But yes, there is definitely some level of anti Muslim sentiment that's unrelated to ISIS or terrorism.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't know how closely you've followed while away Kirk but I'm quite content in saying that there are members who are anti Muslim culture, completely unrelated to terrorism / extremism. Debatably justified in some cases, maybe (e.g. Muslim culture vs women's rights), not so much in others (a general sentiment that the inclusion of Muslim festivities over the holiday period is wrong as it erodes British tradition).

But yes, there is definitely some level of anti Muslim sentiment that's unrelated to ISIS or terrorism.

Thanks for making me aware of this T.S. I will have a read through posts I may have missed during my absence.

I know that I have never stated ALL Muslims when I have slated terrorists etc, but I believe anyway - as you infer - that on here it is more a rail at certain Muslim traditions and practices than it is 'Anti-Muslim' attitudes.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't know how closely you've followed while away Kirk but I'm quite content in saying that there are members who are anti Muslim culture, completely unrelated to terrorism / extremism. Debatably justified in some cases, maybe (e.g. Muslim culture vs women's rights), not so much in others (a general sentiment that the inclusion of Muslim festivities over the holiday period is wrong as it erodes British tradition).

But yes, there is definitely some level of anti Muslim sentiment that's unrelated to ISIS or terrorism.

Thing with that is some people react to comments by others that British culture doesn’t exist or has no value. Some people on here often make sarcastic comments and try to reduce the British way of life to frivolities such as fish and chips. People on here constantly blatantly undermine Britain and British values in an attempt to offend so it is hardly surprising they get a reaction. So let’s not conveniently portray just one part of a much bigger picture of insults shall we.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Thing with that is some people react to comments by others that British culture doesn’t exist or has no value. Some people on here often make sarcastic comments and try to reduce the British way of life to frivolities such as fish and chips. People on here constantly blatantly undermine Britain and British values in an attempt to offend so it is hardly surprising they get a reaction. So let’s not conveniently portray just one part of a much bigger picture of insults shall we.

I wasn't really passing judgment Brillo, I do actually understand (some of) your issues with how women are viewed within cultural Islam. All I was really doing here was pointing out that not all of the criticism of Islam on the forum is linked to extremism / terrorism.

For the record I honestly have no problem with criticism of religious or cultural practice when there's evidence of it being negative. I have plenty of criticisms of religion in general. My only problem arises when assumptions are made based on someone's background...

i.e. "We can see that that man is oppressing his wife and doesn't want her to have a job / drive / etc and he is Muslim so it's probably linked to his cultural background" - - - That statement is fine for a debate.

But, "I don't know anything about that woman, but as her husband is a Muslim he PROBABLY oppresses her and doesn't want her to be independent" (without any actual knowledge of their family) - - - that would not be fine.

[Beso]

Why do people hate jews anyway?...this has always confused me....it used to be skinheads that did when i was a kid...is jc an ex skinhead? Turned crusty!

[jet]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Why do people hate jews anyway?...this has always confused me....it used to be skinheads that did when i was a kid...is jc an ex skinhead? Turned crusty!

He always looks kinda dirty - like he smells.

[Vicky.]

From the Tory Party there was silence.

This makes NO sense. Why aren't they shouting from the rooftops, if there is proof? No way would the Tories stay quiet on something this big.

On the front pages of the national newspapers there was silence

This too.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This makes NO sense. Why aren't they shouting from the rooftops, if there is proof? No way would the Tories stay quiet on something this big.



This too.

Gentleman's agreement so that no one will air all of THEIR dirty laundry, one would imagine.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This makes NO sense. Why aren't they shouting from the rooftops, if there is proof? No way would the Tories stay quiet on something this big.



This too.

It's not a question of 'if' there is proof though - there is proof across 150 pages of David Colliers report which can be read here: http://david-collier.com/exclusive-corbyn-antisemitism/

There's also screenshots showing Corbyn commenting on posts littered with questionable content and views like here



The reason the Tories and a lot of the press haven't made as much fuss about this is because of what Hodges says later on:

The line that has been crossed cannot now be redrawn. The anti-Semites – with the help of Corbyn and the other useful idiots within Labour’s ranks – have won. They have reset the moral compass of a nation. In fact, they have snapped it in two.

The articles written in protest over their malign coup have been successfully dismissed as smears. The voices raised against them discounted as political agitation. The facts detailing their racist insurrection recast as ‘fake news’.

Basically this stuff doesn't cut through to people. They either dismiss it as Tory propaganda or assume it has been heavily exaggerated. There is so much evidence of questionable behaviour and dodgy contacts that Corbyn has been involved in but the truth is no one does seem to care. It has done nothing to dent Corbyns popularity so now even the Tories barely confront it anymore

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not a question of 'if' there is proof though - there is proof across 150 pages of David Colliers report which can be read here: http://david-collier.com/exclusive-corbyn-antisemitism/

There's also screenshots showing Corbyn commenting on posts littered with questionable content and views like here



The reason the Tories and a lot of the press haven't made as much fuss about this is because of what Hodges says later on:



Basically this stuff doesn't cut through to people. They either dismiss it as Tory propaganda or assume it has been heavily exaggerated. There is so much evidence of questionable behaviour and dodgy contacts that Corbyn has been involved in but the truth is no one does seem to care. It has done nothing to dent Corbyns popularity so now even the Tories barely confront it anymore

No way i’m voting Labour again while these arseholes are in charge.I don’t know what came over me.
Looks like i’m not voting next GE.
Just watching with interest.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not a question of 'if' there is proof though - there is proof across 150 pages of David Colliers report which can be read here: http://david-collier.com/exclusive-corbyn-antisemitism/

There's also screenshots showing Corbyn commenting on posts littered with questionable content and views like here



The reason the Tories and a lot of the press haven't made as much fuss about this is because of what Hodges says later on:



Basically this stuff doesn't cut through to people. They either dismiss it as Tory propaganda or assume it has been heavily exaggerated. There is so much evidence of questionable behaviour and dodgy contacts that Corbyn has been involved in but the truth is no one does seem to care. It has done nothing to dent Corbyns popularity so now even the Tories barely confront it anymore

Hang on a minute. You either agree and support the apartheid or you don't. Corbyn does not support it, neither do I. This isn't about the Jews, its about the Zionists...big difference. You can be a Christian Zionist, an atheist Zionist, a Jewish Zionist. To be Zionist doesn't make you a Jew. For instance, everyone here who supports the divide of Israel and Palestine are Zionists. Everyone who doesn't are anti-Zionist.

The screen shot you sent says nothing other than Corbyn makes it clear he doesn't support the apartheid. When so many Jews, including Israeli Jews also don't support this form of Zionism, how does that make Corbyn anti Jewish?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Hang on a minute. You either agree and support the apartheid or you don't. Corbyn does not support it, neither do I. This isn't about the Jews, its about the Zionists...big difference. You can be a Christian Zionist, an atheist Zionist, a Jewish Zionist. To be Zionist doesn't make you a Jew. For instance, everyone here who supports the divide of Israel and Palestine are Zionists. Everyone who doesn't are anti-Zionist.

The screen shot you sent says nothing other than Corbyn makes it clear he doesn't support the apartheid. When so many Jews, including Israeli Jews also don't support this form of Zionism, how does that make Corbyn anti Jewish?

It's not about what he himself says, the problem is with the company he keeps. Of course 'anti-zionist' has always been a nice cover for those who are basically just anti-semitic

[MTVN]

Sorry to keep quoting this article but I do think it nails it:

What the hell is happening to us? How have we managed to fall this far? The ethical framework that surrounds our politics has morphed into a grotesque, sickening parody. Place a hand on a knee – you’re gone. Fiddle expenses – you’re gone. Tweet an inanity about someone’s breasts – you’re gone. Watch pornography – actually deny watching pornography – you’re still gone. But engage with an overtly racist Facebook group – something that would get you sacked from any other workplace in the country – and you can carry on, no questions asked. Potentially all the way to No 10.
...

For how much longer are we meant to suspend disbelief? Corbyn’s ten-year association with Holocaust denier Paul Eisen? ‘I didn’t know,’ he claimed, his office saying he opposed Eisen’s views. His association with anti-Semite Sheikh Raed Salah? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semite Reverend Stephen Sizer? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semites within Palestine Live? ‘I didn’t know.’


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...#ixzz59TY7KG3y

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not about what he himself says, the problem is with the company he keeps. Of course 'anti-zionist' has always been a nice cover for those who are basically just anti-semitic

And using 'anti-Jewish' has always been a nice cover for those who are Zionist'.

I am not anti-Jewish in any way or form. You can accuse me all you like but that still doesn't make me anti-Jewish.