[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't know how closely you've followed while away Kirk but I'm quite content in saying that there are members who are anti Muslim culture, completely unrelated to terrorism / extremism. Debatably justified in some cases, maybe (e.g. Muslim culture vs women's rights), not so much in others (a general sentiment that the inclusion of Muslim festivities over the holiday period is wrong as it erodes British tradition).

But yes, there is definitely some level of anti Muslim sentiment that's unrelated to ISIS or terrorism.

Thing with that is some people react to comments by others that British culture doesn’t exist or has no value. Some people on here often make sarcastic comments and try to reduce the British way of life to frivolities such as fish and chips. People on here constantly blatantly undermine Britain and British values in an attempt to offend so it is hardly surprising they get a reaction. So let’s not conveniently portray just one part of a much bigger picture of insults shall we.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Thing with that is some people react to comments by others that British culture doesn’t exist or has no value. Some people on here often make sarcastic comments and try to reduce the British way of life to frivolities such as fish and chips. People on here constantly blatantly undermine Britain and British values in an attempt to offend so it is hardly surprising they get a reaction. So let’s not conveniently portray just one part of a much bigger picture of insults shall we.

I wasn't really passing judgment Brillo, I do actually understand (some of) your issues with how women are viewed within cultural Islam. All I was really doing here was pointing out that not all of the criticism of Islam on the forum is linked to extremism / terrorism.

For the record I honestly have no problem with criticism of religious or cultural practice when there's evidence of it being negative. I have plenty of criticisms of religion in general. My only problem arises when assumptions are made based on someone's background...

i.e. "We can see that that man is oppressing his wife and doesn't want her to have a job / drive / etc and he is Muslim so it's probably linked to his cultural background" - - - That statement is fine for a debate.

But, "I don't know anything about that woman, but as her husband is a Muslim he PROBABLY oppresses her and doesn't want her to be independent" (without any actual knowledge of their family) - - - that would not be fine.

[MTVN]

Good article by Dan Hodges (a Labour supporter for the record) on this today

Over 150 pages, it painstakingly detailed how Corbyn had spent two years as a member of a closed Facebook group called Palestine Live. The group was a veritable cesspit of anti-Semitism, containing vast numbers of racist posts and links ranging from Holocaust denial, through Zionist conspiracy theories and 9/11 conspiracy theories, to descriptions of Jews as ‘Zios’, ‘ZioNazi’ and ‘JewNazi’.

Collier’s research revealed Corbyn had engaged with the group, had been lauded by its members, and had organised meetings at the Commons for members via the site. In response, Corbyn’s office claimed he had been added to the group without his knowledge or consent.

When it was pointed out he had posted on the site, they backtracked and claimed he had only responded to individual posts in which he’d been mentioned. Then it was pointed out he had in fact ‘favoured’ various pieces of general content. At which point Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell appeared on television to claim Corbyn had left the group as soon as its vile nature had been brought to his attention.

Unfortunately, Corbyn himself had already undermined that defence, admitting he had only left the site when he was elected Labour leader. So his office finally fell back on the line that he had not personally seen or engaged with any anti-Semitic content directly.

At this point the reaction was instantaneous and savage. An instantaneous and savage silence.

From Labour’s Shadow Cabinet there was silence. From Labour MPs there was silence. From the Tory Party there was silence. On the main broadcast bulletins there was silence. On the front pages of the national newspapers there was silence. Across the nation. Silence. It’s important to repeat again what had occurred. The leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition admitted to being a member of what by any objective definition is a Facebook group of unremitting anti-Semitic hatred. He admitted to engaging with that group, of organising meetings on behalf of that group, and of remaining a member of that group for two full years.

And yet there is nothing. No internal challenge or repudiation. No external challenge or repudiation. Just a collective shrug.

Full article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...l-compass.html

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Good article by Dan Hodges (a Labour supporter for the record) on this today

Over 150 pages, it painstakingly detailed how Corbyn had spent two years as a member of a closed Facebook group called Palestine Live. The group was a veritable cesspit of anti-Semitism, containing vast numbers of racist posts and links ranging from Holocaust denial, through Zionist conspiracy theories and 9/11 conspiracy theories, to descriptions of Jews as ‘Zios’, ‘ZioNazi’ and ‘JewNazi’.

Collier’s research revealed Corbyn had engaged with the group, had been lauded by its members, and had organised meetings at the Commons for members via the site. In response, Corbyn’s office claimed he had been added to the group without his knowledge or consent.

When it was pointed out he had posted on the site, they backtracked and claimed he had only responded to individual posts in which he’d been mentioned. Then it was pointed out he had in fact ‘favoured’ various pieces of general content. At which point Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell appeared on television to claim Corbyn had left the group as soon as its vile nature had been brought to his attention.

Unfortunately, Corbyn himself had already undermined that defence, admitting he had only left the site when he was elected Labour leader. So his office finally fell back on the line that he had not personally seen or engaged with any anti-Semitic content directly.

At this point the reaction was instantaneous and savage. An instantaneous and savage silence.

From Labour’s Shadow Cabinet there was silence. From Labour MPs there was silence. From the Tory Party there was silence. On the main broadcast bulletins there was silence. On the front pages of the national newspapers there was silence. Across the nation. Silence. It’s important to repeat again what had occurred. The leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition admitted to being a member of what by any objective definition is a Facebook group of unremitting anti-Semitic hatred. He admitted to engaging with that group, of organising meetings on behalf of that group, and of remaining a member of that group for two full years.

And yet there is nothing. No internal challenge or repudiation. No external challenge or repudiation. Just a collective shrug.

Full article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...l-compass.html

Brilliantly informative and reinforces what some of us already know - that Corbyn is anti-Semitic through and through.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Brilliantly informative and reinforces what some of us already know - that Corbyn is anti-Semitic through and through.

And that his defenders will continue to defend him no matter what. Evidence is not the issue any more - agendas are.