[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Apart from the people that aren't being paid, of course?

You mean the ones whose jobs aren't needed, the ones who just made jobs for themselves? Don't worry, they'll get back pay.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

You mean the ones whose jobs aren't needed, the ones who just made jobs for themselves? Don't worry, they'll get back pay.

That's ok then. No doubt as government employees they're already on 200k/yr so missing payments won't be an issue for them.

Government contractors won't actually get any back pay because they're not permanently employed by anyone. Still, at least Trumps cabinet just got a 10% raise.

I didn't realise you were a multi-millionaire Alf who's never had to worry about anything financially related in his life.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Alf

You mean the ones whose jobs aren't needed, the ones who just made jobs for themselves? Don't worry, they'll get back pay.

like the airport security staff currently working with out pay or the park attendants .... or the coast guard ... told to hold garage sales to supplement their income .... or border security forces ... yes border security is currently not being paid ... all thanks to Mr Trump

[Alf]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

like the airport security staff currently working with out pay or the park attendants .... or the coast guard ... told to hold garage sales to supplement their income .... or border security forces ... yes border security is currently not being paid ... all thanks to Mr Trump

Well it:s not all down to Mr Trump is it? What about those Democrats who still haven't accepted him as their President and are taking their tantrum out on the American people?

'm fairly certain the Democrats have always called for a wall, but for some reason they want to block it whileTrump is in office. It's not business, it's personal.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

You mean the ones whose jobs aren't needed, the ones who just made jobs for themselves? Don't worry, they'll get back pay.

but what about the ones who are doing essential jobs who are working now for no pay, yes they will get back pay but that won't cut it when paying their food bill will it

[bots]

It's also not just about those not being paid. It has massive knock on effects. Things like food vouchers are no longer being issued to the most vulnerable. Americans rely on tax rebates that wont now be paid. Trump has manufactured this crisis and should be held accountable. for it.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Alf

Over 3 weeks of shutdown and absolutely no change to people's life's. It makes you wonder what all these government departments actually do.

I didn't know you moved to America and can give us this first hand account. Or wait... it couldn't be you just repeating what the Republican news wants everyone to believe

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Mokka

I didn't know you moved to America and can give us this first hand account. Or wait... it couldn't be you just repeating what the Republican news wants everyone to believe

I thought you was Canadian?

So what has changed for the American people during this shutdown?

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Alf

I thought you was Canadian?

So what has changed for the American people during this shutdown?

That's my point. You and I have no idea how its affecting the daily lives of people in the US. For you to make a blanket statement implying it has no impact would be like me saying "oh look the Brexit vote happened and nothing has changed" when clearly I'm not able to judge that

[Tom4784]

Alf, Pretty much everything you've said in this topic is just factually wrong.

The reason why nothing is changed when it comes to infrastructure is because people who work in vital services are now working without pay while others are on unpaid leave (People who sustain and look after the national parks etc). To make out that the people affected aren't important or even to demonise the unpaid workers by suggesting their 'making jobs for themselves' is a ****ing lie. I hate people spreading misinformation to further their cause and that's exactly what you are embracing. Falsities.

As for you blaming the Democrats. I don't care what your political leaning is, you can't look at this situation objectively with all the fact checking that's out there and say that this situation is anyone else's fault but Trump's. He himself said that he would shut down the government and he was proud to do it and that he would 'take the mantle' and that he wouldn't blame democrats.

Youtube video

(1.30 for him taking responsibility for any potential government shutdowns)

He can't keep his story straight and this shutdown is purely his fault. Blaming Democrats for not wanting to piss away $5bn on a vanity project is not reasonable or logical and holding 800,000 people's wages hostage to get his way is just pathetic and inexcusable. Why should the US throw that money away just to appease Trump when it's needed elsewhere? Why should the US people pay for a wall he promised that Mexico would pay for?

Objectively, he is in the wrong and defending him is just foolish. He's in the wrong and this situation is one of his own making. To deny that is to cover your eyes to the truth.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Alf, Pretty much everything you've said in this topic is just factually wrong.

The reason why nothing is changed when it comes to infrastructure is because people who work in vital services are now working without pay while others are on unpaid leave (People who sustain and look after the national parks etc). To make out that the people affected aren't important or even to demonise the unpaid workers by suggesting their 'making jobs for themselves' is a ****ing lie. I hate people spreading misinformation to further their cause and that's exactly what you are embracing. Falsities.

As for you blaming the Democrats. I don't care what your political leaning is, you can't look at this situation objectively with all the fact checking that's out there and say that this situation is anyone else's fault but Trump's. He himself said that he would shut down the government and he was proud to do it and that he would 'take the mantle' and that he wouldn't blame democrats.

Youtube video

(1.30 for him taking responsibility for any potential government shutdowns)

He can't keep his story straight and this shutdown is purely his fault. Blaming Democrats for not wanting to piss away $5bn on a vanity project is not reasonable or logical and holding 800,000 people's wages hostage to get his way is just pathetic and inexcusable. Why should the US throw that money away just to appease Trump when it's needed elsewhere? Why should the US people pay for a wall he promised that Mexico would pay for?

Objectively, he is in the wrong and defending him is just foolish. He's in the wrong and this situation is one of his own making. To deny that is to cover your eyes to the truth.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Alf, Pretty much everything you've said in this topic is just factually wrong.

The reason why nothing is changed when it comes to infrastructure is because people who work in vital services are now working without pay while others are on unpaid leave (People who sustain and look after the national parks etc). To make out that the people affected aren't important or even to demonise the unpaid workers by suggesting their 'making jobs for themselves' is a ****ing lie. I hate people spreading misinformation to further their cause and that's exactly what you are embracing. Falsities.

As for you blaming the Democrats. I don't care what your political leaning is, you can't look at this situation objectively with all the fact checking that's out there and say that this situation is anyone else's fault but Trump's. He himself said that he would shut down the government and he was proud to do it and that he would 'take the mantle' and that he wouldn't blame democrats.

Youtube video

(1.30 for him taking responsibility for any potential government shutdowns)

He can't keep his story straight and this shutdown is purely his fault. Blaming Democrats for not wanting to piss away $5bn on a vanity project is not reasonable or logical and holding 800,000 people's wages hostage to get his way is just pathetic and inexcusable. Why should the US throw that money away just to appease Trump when it's needed elsewhere? Why should the US people pay for a wall he promised that Mexico would pay for?

Objectively, he is in the wrong and defending him is just foolish. He's in the wrong and this situation is one of his own making. To deny that is to cover your eyes to the truth.

The man is a menace, and I normally tend to find that the leaders that try to shut themselves out from the rest of the world tend to end up being dictators or trying to create a dictatorship in this case as it's a very slippery slope for America to go down if Trump gets what he wants.

[Mokka]

https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/14235...7/?jwsource=cl

Video clip of Trump saying various times he would pay for the wall... he is a parody of a parody of himself at this point

[Tom4784]

Plus you have important organisations like the FDA that are affected and not long after an E.Coli incident either.

I just can't get over it, making out that none of the jobs are important in order to lessen the outrageousness of it all to protect a manbaby who is responsible for all this **** in the first place because he is a compulsive liar that can't keep his story straight from one day to the next.

His fans need to open their eyes and accept that they are following a snake oil salesman that is willing to **** all over them to build his own 'legacy' but that won't happen because Trump's base are knowingly accepting his bull**** because he tells them what they want to hear.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The man made a promise and should be applauded for his tenacity at delivering it not vilified

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The man made a promise and should be applauded for his tenacity at delivering it not vilified

He's held all 3 branches of government for 2 years and done nothing about it, he still held all 3 branches of gov when the shutdown began, because even his own party ee what a waste of time, effort, and money it is.

If he wouldn't have focussed on his tax cut for the rich, he could have built his wall.

But then again you already knew that, so instead used your post to try and get a reaction instead of contributing.

Do you know how the wall became the issue it was? His own staffers fed it to him because he was too stupid to remember to talk about immigration, so they had to make it easier for him to bring up in easy terms that his mouth-breathing supporters would understand.

[Oliver_W]

Hahaha

[Nicky91]

Trump applauded lol LT that's a good joke, he won't be applauded by me

it's about time america goes looking for a new president i think

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Trump applauded lol LT that's a good joke, he won't be applauded by me

it's about time america goes looking for a new president i think

no they have the election process pretty nailed down now after 220 odd years

[Oliver_W]

The Dems are going about this the wrong way I think - there's little reason to oppose a border wall, but they can still use it as a "trump card" to push things through they want, to used it as a negotiating chip. But nope, they're just refusing to compromise.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The Dems are going about this the wrong way I think - there's little reason to oppose a border wall, but they can still use it as a "trump card" to push things through they want, to used it as a negotiating chip. But nope, they're just refusing to compromise.

What a flawed way of looking at things and one that is for the purpose of laying blame at the dem's feet when it's the president, who has said himself, that the shutdown is something he would take responsibility for.

There is a big reason to oppose the wall, it costs 5 billion dollars and experts have said that it won't do anything to stem illegal immigration and in terms of drug smuggling, the vast majority are smuggled in through legal entry points. A wall won't do much to curb anything, it's an expensive waste of money.

Plus, giving into Trump's demands will just prove to him that he can shut down the government whenever he doesn't get his way. If this works out for him, he will do it again and again whenever he doesn't get his way.

This is not a situation in which you can objectively lay blame at anyone else's feet but Trump's. He is holding people's livelihoods hostage and the democrats can't give in because he WILL do it again. The only way to blame someone else is to twist the facts and spread falsities.

Trump is the problem here, he is responsible for this by his own admission. Taking personal feelings and allegiances out of the equation, this is a situation that Trump has created and sustained.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What a flawed way of looking at things and one that is for the purpose of laying blame at the dem's feet when it's the president, who has said himself, that the shutdown is something he would take responsibility for.

There is a big reason to oppose the wall, it costs 5 billion dollars and experts have said that it won't do anything to stem illegal immigration and in terms of drug smuggling, the vast majority are smuggled in through legal entry points. A wall won't do much to curb anything, it's an expensive waste of money.

Plus, giving into Trump's demands will just prove to him that he can shut down the government whenever he doesn't get his way. If this works out for him, he will do it again and again whenever he doesn't get his way.

This is not a situation in which you can objectively lay blame at anyone else's feet but Trump's. He is holding people's livelihoods hostage and the democrats can't give in because he WILL do it again. The only way to blame someone else is to twist the facts and spread falsities.

Trump is the problem here, he is responsible for this by his own admission. Taking personal feelings and allegiances out of the equation, this is a situation that Trump has created and sustained.

His voters want this delivering, isn't it his job to give the people what they want? How dare he fight for his voters?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

His voters want this delivering, isn't it his job to give the people what they want? How dare he fight for his voters?

Wrong, it's his job to serve the people of the United States, all of them regardless of how they voted. It's quite worrying you got such a basic fact so wrong. He should be fighting for his people and what they need, not what his extreme voters want.

I'm gonna ask you a question, Alf. What are the benefits of the wall? How would it's construction justify $5bn it costs? How does it serve the american people?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Wrong, it's his job to serve the people of the United States, all of them regardless of how they voted. It's quite worrying you got such a basic fact so wrong. He should be fighting for his people and what they need, not what his extreme voters want.

I'm gonna ask you a question, Alf. What are the benefits of the wall? How would it's construction justify $5bn it costs? How does it serve the american people?

Well that's different then, Trumps voters are extreme, so they lose.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

His voters want this delivering, isn't it his job to give the people what they want? How dare he fight for his voters?

I do admire the way you speak with such certainty about subjects you get consistently wrong.