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Originally Posted by Dezzy

What a flawed way of looking at things and one that is for the purpose of laying blame at the dem's feet when it's the president, who has said himself, that the shutdown is something he would take responsibility for.

There is a big reason to oppose the wall, it costs 5 billion dollars and experts have said that it won't do anything to stem illegal immigration and in terms of drug smuggling, the vast majority are smuggled in through legal entry points. A wall won't do much to curb anything, it's an expensive waste of money.

Plus, giving into Trump's demands will just prove to him that he can shut down the government whenever he doesn't get his way. If this works out for him, he will do it again and again whenever he doesn't get his way.

This is not a situation in which you can objectively lay blame at anyone else's feet but Trump's. He is holding people's livelihoods hostage and the democrats can't give in because he WILL do it again. The only way to blame someone else is to twist the facts and spread falsities.

Trump is the problem here, he is responsible for this by his own admission. Taking personal feelings and allegiances out of the equation, this is a situation that Trump has created and sustained.

His voters want this delivering, isn't it his job to give the people what they want? How dare he fight for his voters?