[Zizu]

I always wondered why they only do one lap of the course and apparently it’s so they can get a team around injured horses .. put a tent around them ... then cart them off in a van ??


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[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What happens to other horses? they go to special horse santuarys or are peoples pets we always get this argument,they just wouldn't be bred as much,so there would not be an overspill Im sure we have enough land to graze them on. It would eventually balance its self out.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

People choose to take the risk though

Some horses will refuse to run sometimes, so they have a choice too, sometimes they'll refuse to even start or refuse to jump a fence.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Some horses will refuse to run sometimes, so they have a choice too, sometimes they'll refuse to even start or refuse to jump a fence.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'll take that as a victory in this discussion.

Alf wins again.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'll take that as a victory in this discussion.



Alf wins again.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Alf

Let's say Horse racing is scrapped tomorrow. What happens to the horses?

They'll stop breeding for racing and horses will be happy without all the whipping ~ whippping should be banned or lets count how many times the jockey whips the horse and the give him he same amount of whips at end of race and see how he enjoys that. There are pleanty of other jobs for short blokes

[Alf]

Put your money where your mouths are.

Buy some stables and buy some horses, then you can protect them.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Haven’t read any of the posts in here except the title coz i’m ignorant and fat so sorry if this has already been covered but

The fact that when the horses racing are injured they got euthanised like... obviously it’s cruel and to think otherwise is ****ing stupid

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Put your money where your mouths are.

Buy some stables and buy some horses, then you can protect them.

Loads of people keep horses Alf, why is that an unusual concept to you?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

Put your money where your mouths are.

Buy some stables and buy some horses, then you can protect them.

Better still Alf,put your money into something more worthwhile than watching a horse whipped and pushed to exhaustion , how about a charity,or a animals sanctuary How do you know some of us don't already have horses ? all animals are expensive to keep properly.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

They'll stop breeding for racing and horses will be happy without all the whipping ~ whippping should be banned or lets count how many times the jockey whips the horse and the give him he same amount of whips at end of race and see how he enjoys that. There are pleanty of other jobs for short blokes

Who's feeding them and sheltering them and paying for their vet bills and protecting them from predators?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

They'll stop breeding for racing and horses will be happy without all the whipping ~ whippping should be banned or lets count how many times the jockey whips the horse and the give him he same amount of whips at end of race and see how he enjoys that. There are pleanty of other jobs for short blokes

I used to horse ride as a kid and there was a vet who had a horse at the stables I went to. I asked him if the whips hurt the horses and he said barely, if you whip them on the flank where you should the muscle is that dense it doesn't hurt, what makes them run faster is the sight of it out of the corner of their eyes which spooks them. I didn't believe him.....it has to hurt.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

Who's feeding them and sheltering them and paying for their vet bills and protecting them from predators?

The people that own them we have lots of horses round here they are sheltered fed and are allowed to graze, that's how they should be living

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I always wondered why they only do one lap of the course and apparently it’s so they can get a team around injured horses .. put a tent around them ... then cart them off in a van ??


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They do two laps.....you can normally tell when a horse is fatally injured as they miss that fence on the second lap and you can see the tent

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The people that own them we have lots of horses round here they are sheltered fed and are allowed to graze, that's how they should be living

But if horse racing is scrapped, then there's going to be 10s of thousands more that need that security, who's paying?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I used to horse ride as a kid and there was a vet who had a horse at the stables I went to. I asked him if the whips hurt the horses and he said barely, if you whip them on the flank where you should the muscle is that dense it doesn't hurt, what makes them run faster is the sight of it out of the corner of their eyes which spooks them. I didn't believe him.....it has to hurt.

I think it would hurt Annie
The horse racing industry has long relied on the premise that whips don’t hurt horses — but a new study has revealed that horses are thin-skinned creatures who feel pain when whipped.
Proof that whip use in horse racing DOES hurt horses.

www.mamamia.com.au/whip-use-in-horse-racing/

[user104658]

Yes, disgusting industry run entirely for the profit of themselves and the bookies. Dog racing is even worse. There's no real debate about it. The "who would care for them if..." argument is daft too - VERY short-term problem, if you couldn't breed and race horses for $$$$$ then people would simply stop breeding them for those purposes.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

But if horse racing is scrapped, then there's going to be 10s of thousands more that need that security, who's paying?

If they are not bred then the amount will decrease , besides I am sure the ones we have could live out their lives at their owners expense afterall they are SUPPOSED to love their horses .

[MTVN]

How much abuse/mistreatment of horses takes place amongst those who buy them as pets? People who can't afford to care for them properly or get bored of the expense and hassle. And how many dodgy dealers make a profit by selling them for that purpose to families where they know they won't be well cared for or where they get people on payment schemes they can't keep up with

Not a black or white issue imo

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

How much abuse/mistreatment of horses takes place amongst those who buy them as pets? People who can't afford to care for them properly or get bored of the expense and hassle. And how many dodgy dealers make a profit by selling them for that purpose to families where they know they won't be well cared for or where they get people on payment schemes they can't keep up with

Not a black or white issue imo

It is a black and white issue... private owners mistreating their horses has absolutely nothing to do with competitive horse breeding and racing? I don't really understand your logic. "It's complicated because private horse owners also sometimes treat horses badly, so that somehow makes it OK that the horse racing industry treats horses badly."

Shut down both

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It is a black and white issue... private owners mistreating their horses has absolutely nothing to do with competitive horse breeding and racing? I don't really understand your logic. "It's complicated because private horse owners also sometimes treat horses badly, so that somehow makes it OK that the horse racing industry treats horses badly."



Shut down both

Or prosecute owners like that instead, there are people who mistreat their dogs and people who mistreat their children too, you don't punish responsible owners or parents though

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

You’re all fat btw

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Fetch The Bolt Cutters

You’re all fat btw

I'm pretty fat atm tbf, I blame Lockdown

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Fetch The Bolt Cutters

You’re all fat btw

Dummy phat

[bots]

horses like to run, so there is nothing inherently wrong with that. Whipping them to go faster and forcing them to jump fences that could easily be made "horse safe" for very little effort is cruel