[Vicky.]

I would probably put crack at around heroin level tbh. Would be one of my firm lines. Which I am sure anyone who cares is grateful to know

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I would probably put crack at around heroin level tbh. Would be one of my firm lines. Which I am sure anyone who cares is grateful to know

I really hope this doesn’t come out the wrong way (I’m literally just asking out of curiosity) but have you ever done anything beyond crack?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Redway

I really hope this doesn’t come out the wrong way (I’m literally just asking out of curiosity) but have you ever done anything beyond crack?

No. Not done crack either

Mind, apparently diamorphine is 'clean heroin' so I have tried that in labour but not outside of that.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

No. Not done crack either

Mind, apparently diamorphine is 'clean heroin' so I have tried that in labour but not outside of that.

Fair game.

[AnnieK]

I took a lot of drugs in my younger years and I do think they changed me...quite a lot. I was the typical raver....out all weekend and off my face from friday to Sunday. Spent the week recovering to do it all again. After I decided to calm it down a bit, my confidence was massively affected. I was always quite shy but without the effects of the drugs to help me, I became painfully shy and had no confidence. I know a lot of people like that. Took ages to build my confidence back up without that crux. We all used to go to a club and then back to various places afterwards and everyone knew and loved everyone etc etc.....we all decided to meet up once.midweek on a carpark....without the pills and whizz, everyone just sat in their cars smoking weed and nodding at each other.

I don't regret any of it but they did change me.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I took a lot of drugs in my younger years and I do think they changed me...quite a lot. I was the typical raver....out all weekend and off my face from friday to Sunday. Spent the week recovering to do it all again. After I decided to calm it down a bit, my confidence was massively affected. I was always quite shy but without the effects of the drugs to help me, I became painfully shy and had no confidence. I know a lot of people like that. Took ages to build my confidence back up without that crux. We all used to go to a club and then back to various places afterwards and everyone knew and loved everyone etc etc.....we all decided to meet up once.midweek on a carpark....without the pills and whizz, everyone just sat in their cars smoking weed and nodding at each other.

I don't regret any of it but they did change me.

Mind if I ask if you’re open to experimenting with cannabis again?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Redway

Mind if I ask if you’re open to experimenting with cannabis again?

I am not adverse. I still know a lot of people who smoke weed but since I quit smoking cigarettes, the idea of smoking anything doesn't have the same appeal. I have had the odd joint but it floors me now and last time I smoked, I had a whitey and that put me right off

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I am not adverse. I still know a lot of people who smoke weed but since I quit smoking cigarettes, the idea of smoking anything doesn't have the same appeal. I have had the odd joint but it floors me now and last time I smoked, I had a whitey and that put me right off

Yes I hated weed until quite recently because I had a very bad experience with it when younger. Assumed it would always be like that. It wasn't. But it could have been. Glad it wasn't

[Redway]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I am not adverse. I still know a lot of people who smoke weed but since I quit smoking cigarettes, the idea of smoking anything doesn't have the same appeal. I have had the odd joint but it floors me now and last time I smoked, I had a whitey and that put me right off

I’d recommend edibles in that case but they’re about 10 times more potent than bud/flower so I guess it just depends on how much tolerance you have for cannabis per se (ignoring the fact that smoking is the most standard way of taking it). Do you think you could still handle something resembling a mild psychedelic trip (that’s what edibles tend to feel like - the mental part of edible highs seem to resemble low-key acid trips more than anything else, in as much as they give you a very strong in-da-couch/stoner feeling in the body) after giving it all up?

[hijaxers]

Most of mine were back in the days of Glasonbury and other raves, wouldn't want to take most these days and have not partaken in many for years.

[Vicky.]

Seem to have changed me in a positive way. Its hard to explain but I kinda get more mental clarity when I am high? Like, stuff I know deep down but try to deny to myself, I deal with mentally and become better and less stressed for it? And that spills out into the rest of my life too. One night like this can make permanent changes. Its odd. As really you would expect the effects to wear off as the drug does but it doesn't for me seemingly. That said, drugs have helped my pain issues massively also, so that helps. Maybe they are tied in together? Who knows.

I know not to cane it too much though, else the positive effects could change.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Seem to have changed me in a positive way. Its hard to explain but I kinda get more mental clarity when I am high? Like, stuff I know deep down but try to deny to myself, I deal with mentally and become better and less stressed for it? And that spills out into the rest of my life too. One night like this can make permanent changes. Its odd. As really you would expect the effects to wear off as the drug does but it doesn't for me seemingly. That said, drugs have helped my pain issues massively also, so that helps. Maybe they are tied in together? Who knows.

I know not to cane it too much though, else the positive effects could change.

Wasn't the original intention for Ecstasy (or at least one of the idea's for it use) as a therapy for people (particularly soldiers I think) suffering from PTSD? A way for them to open up and talk about trauma that they couldn't ordinarily cope with reliving and talking about? I'm sure I saw that on some documentary. Sounds a bit like what you're saying there

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Wasn't the original intention for Ecstasy (or at least one of the idea's for it use) as a therapy for people (particularly soldiers I think) suffering from PTSD? A way for them to open up and talk about trauma that they couldn't ordinarily cope with reliving and talking about? I'm sure I saw that on some documentary. Sounds a bit like what you're saying there

I read that too. Its used (or was used) somewhere for marriage therapy also as it lets people open up more than they otherwise would. You lose your filter. So everything comes out. Oddly, I seem to have now kinda permanently lost my filter with certain people (and even situations, I suddenly have no issue dancing in public, which I never thought I would say) and its made everything much better?! Its so so hard to explain but I really feel like I am changed for the better now and everything is so much easier.

Not encouraging anyone to take drugs by any stretch of the imagination however I cannot deny my experience tbh.

(Also maybe relevant, I had LOADS of life changes at the same time as this. So its possible the drugs only contributed slightly, or not at all. But it all seems kind of tied in together, a chicken and egg situation if you will)

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I read that too. Its used (or was used) somewhere for marriage therapy also as it lets people open up more than they otherwise would. You lose your filter. So everything comes out. Oddly, I seem to have now kinda permanently lost my filter with certain people (and even situations, I suddenly have no issue dancing in public, which I never thought I would say) and its made everything much better?! Its so so hard to explain but I really feel like I am changed for the better now and everything is so much easier.

Not encouraging anyone to take drugs by any stretch of the imagination however I cannot deny my experience tbh.

(Also maybe relevant, I had LOADS of life changes at the same time as this. So its possible the drugs only contributed slightly, or not at all. But it all seems kind of tied in together, a chicken and egg situation if you will)

Yeah was going to say that you did have other huge life changes that will have a big positive effect on you too

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah was going to say that you did have other huge life changes that will have a big positive effect on you too

It seems to all mesh together into one when I try to figure out what actually triggered the changes, or if the changes were triggered by something I did. I have came to the conclusion that it was all a perfect storm of things which all interact and thats responsible. Lucky really, as if it was that perfect storm, then one thing differently could have made things turn out not so good.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Seem to have changed me in a positive way. Its hard to explain but I kinda get more mental clarity when I am high? Like, stuff I know deep down but try to deny to myself, I deal with mentally and become better and less stressed for it? And that spills out into the rest of my life too. One night like this can make permanent changes. Its odd. As really you would expect the effects to wear off as the drug does but it doesn't for me seemingly. That said, drugs have helped my pain issues massively also, so that helps. Maybe they are tied in together? Who knows.

I know not to cane it too much though, else the positive effects could change.

Yeah, cannabis in all forms is great for pain relief. The current propaganda would have you believe that the only good cannabis extract worth talking about is CBD because it has medicinal value but doesn’t get you high (because the government still sees getting high on pot as a rabbit hole akin to demoniac possession even though worse things happen involving alcohol every day). THC on its own (the part of the cannabis plant that does get you high/stoned) has medicinal properties that CBD alone doesn’t (treating PTSD for one).

As far as the weed thing goes I just find it funny that a drug which even in its most unregulated street form hasn’t ever killed a soul (not directly anyhow) remains illegal whereas something that’s as taxed and legally regulated as alcohol is probably the most dangerous of them all after the obvious hard drugs (not that there’s anything wrong with drinking in moderation). Can you imagine how many more people would die from poisoning if we lived in a prohibitory-esque era and people had to buy off the black market every time?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Redway

Yeah, cannabis in all forms is great for pain relief. The current propaganda would have you believe that the only good cannabis extract worth talking about is CBD because it has medicinal value but doesn’t get you high (because the government still sees getting high on pot as a rabbit hole akin to demoniac possession even though worse things happen involving alcohol every day). THC on its own (the part of the cannabis plant that does get you high/stoned) has medicinal properties that CBD alone doesn’t (treating PTSD for one).

As far as the weed thing goes I just find it funny that a drug which even in its most unregulated street form hasn’t ever killed a soul (not directly anyhow) whereas something that’s as taxed and legally regulated as alcohol is probably the most dangerous of them all after the obvious hard drugs (not that there’s anything wrong with drinking in moderation). Can you imagine how many more people would die from poisoning if we lived in a prohibitory-esque era and people had to buy off the black market every time?

Oh for sure. I find societys obsession with alcohol while looking down on other, often safer forms of drug, kind of bizarre.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Redway

As far as the weed thing goes I just find it funny that a drug which even in its most unregulated street form hasn’t ever killed a soul (not directly anyhow) whereas something that’s as taxed and legally regulated as alcohol is probably the most dangerous of them all after the obvious hard drugs (not that there’s anything wrong with drinking in moderation). Can you imagine how many more people would die from poisoning if we lived in a prohibitory-esque era and people had to buy off the black market every time?

I definitely won't argue with that, for one alcohol alone killed my mum (she'd never have touched any other drug, but 15 years of wine was enough) and also my wife worked in addictions when she first qualified. Heroin (usually combined with benzos, but TBH it's rare for anyone to be abusing one without the other, they just go hand in hand) is by far the #1 problem for addiction services... but right after that is alcohol at #2. No other drug even comes close after that. Plus of course, most people who have addictions to other drugs (heroin included) have alcohol problems as well.

[thesheriff443]

You lot make me laugh with drugs
They just interfere with your brain,the idea that you are a better more confident person while on them is nonsense

You are the same person
It’s like going out and not drinking you see all the idiots making fools of themselves, well that is or was you.

Talking too fast or too slow. You couldn’t dance before drugs you can’t sing before drugs you ain’t some love machine you just silly people thinking you can



In every case you look ridiculous

[Redway]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You lot make me laugh with drugs
They just interfere with your brain,the idea that you are a better more confident person while on them is nonsense

You are the same person
It’s like going out and not drinking you see all the idiots making fools of themselves, well that is or was you.

Talking too fast or too slow. You couldn’t dance before drugs you can’t sing before drugs you ain’t some love machine you just silly people thinking you can



In every case you look ridiculous

People have been taking drugs in different forms for thousands of years. It might not be your game but I’d rather live in a nation full of stoners than borderline alcoholics. Because the truth of the situation is that alcohol is far more dangerous than marijuana and that’s not something that can be denied.

Tell me which is worse between a drug which at worst (and only in its unregulated form with not enough CBD to mediate the psychoactive effects) triggers a latent schizophrenia in a very small minority of heavy users (which wouldn’t be an issue if Mary-Jane was legal) but hasn’t led to a single death and something which destroys millions of people’s insides and kills them every single day. How many people do you know who get high and start stripping and jumping on cars in the middle of the road?

[Redway]

Sorry to hear about your mum, TS.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You lot make me laugh with drugs
They just interfere with your brain,the idea that you are a better more confident person while on them is nonsense

You are the same person
It’s like going out and not drinking you see all the idiots making fools of themselves, well that is or was you.

Talking too fast or too slow. You couldn’t dance before drugs you can’t sing before drugs you ain’t some love machine you just silly people thinking you can



In every case you look ridiculous

Maybe. But we feel good while doing it.

And its a case of perspective really. Some will think it looks ridiculous, others will have their day brightened by someone behaving in a slightly twat like manner.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Maybe. But we feel good while doing it.

And its a case of perspective really. Some will think it looks ridiculous, others will have their day brightened by someone behaving in a slightly twat like manner.

Having to use drugs in any capacity means there is something wrong in your life.

You are all part of the problem

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Having to use drugs in any capacity means there is something wrong in your life.

You are all part of the problem

Thats fine by me Live and let live tbh

[Redway]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Having to use drugs in any capacity means there is something wrong in your life.

You are all part of the problem

Looking down on people who take drugs for spiritual, recreational and inner-healing purposes is the problem, really.

We’re talking about things from alcohol to psychedelics, really. No one on this site is inserting needles in some dodgy alley every evening.

Once you let go of the idea that not everything that’s illegal should be (and that certain legal substances do way more damage), you start to see illicit substances in a somewhat different light. Especially considering their historical ubiquity of usage all over the flipping world.

No one’s advocating for anyone reading this thread innocently to go and start snorting lines and kushing-up like there’s no tomorrow but as people who’ve been through life and seen a few things we’re allowed to talk about our experiences. If you’ve got nothing to contribute because you’re so touchy about drugs this thread probably isn’t for you.