[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bots

vets recommend and regulate how the animals are killed. I don't really know what more can be done than that given that humans are meat eaters

…yeah, I believe that Halal is approved so long as the animal is stunned and I appreciate that humans are meat eaters but that still doesn’t alter that killing in itself and of itself doesn’t fit with ‘humane’…so as I said to BBXX, it feels like a total misfit of descriptive…

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by BBXX

“Humanely slaughtered” is an oxymoron, in my personal opinion, something we meat eaters say to make ourselves feel better about eating meat.

All slaughter is inhumane which is why I look at halal and kosher no different to all other ways of slaughter.

In that case, we may as well fully allow fox hunting - they're just as dead when outright shot, as they are when chased across several miles and torn apart by ravenous dogs.

No difference at all

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

In that case, we may as well fully allow fox hunting - they're just as dead when outright shot, as they are when chased across several miles and torn apart by ravenous dogs.

No difference at all

Great point.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

In that case, we may as well fully allow fox hunting - they're just as dead when outright shot, as they are when chased across several miles and torn apart by ravenous dogs.

No difference at all

That is the stupidest thing you have said and you are well educated

[Livia]

Perhaps sheriff didn't understand it.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by BBXX

“Humanely slaughtered” is an oxymoron, in my personal opinion, something we meat eaters say to make ourselves feel better about eating meat.

All slaughter is inhumane which is why I look at halal and kosher no different to all other ways of slaughter. It’s not about fear of criticising it for wanting to be not seen as racist it’s just the way I view the killing of animals. The end seconds of the life of the animal is so similar and I think, for me anyway, it’s so much less about those last few seconds than it is about the life the animal has lived in the lead up to it.

FWIW, I don’t think there is any need to bring up sexuality just because we’re discussing an Islamic practise. I can be gay, against Islamic teachings on homosexuality while also not seeing much of a muchness when it comes to the halal vs non-halal slaughter of animals. Muslims want me dead so I oppose halal doesn’t make sense to me as a thought process.

You cant kill an animal humanely,none of them want to die,like you I hate the way they are mistreated ,neglected and abused, and the way the industry tries to hide it by posting "Happy animals" on their products,Red Tractor was found to be a lie,maybe some would benefit from watching a few documentries such as, Dominion,Knives to forks,Earthlings,Cowspirisy,Seaspirisy, hard to watch but sometimes necessary.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

In that case, we may as well fully allow fox hunting - they're just as dead when outright shot, as they are when chased across several miles and torn apart by ravenous dogs.

No difference at all

Well yes there is,a fox that is shot hopefully dies quickly, chased by hounds and ripped apart,just no, I know what Ide prefer. Fox hunting is also cruel as is any so called sport that used animals imo.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

In that case, we may as well fully allow fox hunting - they're just as dead when outright shot, as they are when chased across several miles and torn apart by ravenous dogs.

No difference at all

…fully allow for animals to be killed purely for sport/for a leisure or pleasure activity and blood/kill sport …?…I don’t understand how that would equate to anything that was said by any other member or to Halal method of meat/killing for food chain purposes…

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well yes there is,a fox that is shot hopefully dies quickly, chased by hounds and ripped apart,just no, I know what Ide prefer.

That was my point - I was replying to a post that said halal is basically the same as any other slaughter.

Originally Posted by Ammi

…fully allow for animals to be killed purely for sport/for a leisure or pleasure activity and blood/kill sport …?…I only don’t understand how that would equate to anything that was said by any other member or to Halal method of meat/killing for food chain purposes…

It's not exclusively a blood sport. Fox hunting is (meant to be) part of rural fox population control, it has a function - but also happens to have what many would call needless barbaric cultural additions tied in - like halal and Kosher slaughter.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That was my point - I was replying to a post that said halal is basically the same as any other slaughter.


It's not exclusively a blood sport. Fox hunting is (meant to be) part of rural fox population control, it has a function - but also happens to have what many would call needless barbaric cultural additions tied in - like halal and Kosher slaughter.

…it was said much earlier in the thread, though that in most cases so far as we’re aware, stunning is practised in Halal, which makes it more comparable to non halal…but I do agree that it’s a strange descriptive to attach ‘humane’ to the act killing in general…which is what was being said…

…I still don’t get that any kind of claimed ‘animal control’ by chasing down an animal for it to be torn apart in any way can be compared though to the topic…animal control is not attached to cultural beliefs…

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Beso

90 percent may be stunned first but that still leaves 26.7 million chickens,3.1 million sheep (28.8% of total slaughtered) and 35,000 cattle being barbarically treated every year.

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[Livia]

I buy sensitively reared, local meat that has been humanely slaughtered. I pay quite a lot more for it. But the consensus seems to be that I'm just wasting my time and money and if I eat meat, it's pretty much all the same.

[Beso]

How many butchers does it take to kill all those unstunned animals a year. A lot you would imagine.

You would imagine mostly Muslims. So with the Muslims only being a tiny percentage of the UK population, out of that tiny percent there's am awful lot of people willing to do this job.

Compared to the larger percentage and their inhumane tiny percentage who jump on horseback to kill foxes, it does make you wonder what type of people some people are.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Pretending there is a nice way to kill an animal is strange.

90% of Halal meat is rendered unconscious compared to no Kosher meat, so perhaps it would be best to start the campaign supporting 'humane murder' there?

I agree tbh. There is very little non stun halal slaughter in this country and it's only done for certain religious sects which require it.

People would probably be surprised by how often they eat halal meat without realising. Lots of KFC branches only serve halal chicken. In New Zealand almost all meat is halal because they want to export to Islamic countries.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

In that case, we may as well fully allow fox hunting - they're just as dead when outright shot, as they are when chased across several miles and torn apart by ravenous dogs.

No difference at all

I did say later it’s about the life they lived leading up to the deaths that’s more important to me than the final seconds. A fox being chased for miles and then being torn apart by dogs is not the same as an animal living a great life and then having its throat cut which often cuts of the supply to the brain instantly ensuring no pain.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

I buy sensitively reared, local meat that has been humanely slaughtered. I pay quite a lot more for it. But the consensus seems to be that I'm just wasting my time and money and if I eat meat, it's pretty much all the same.

Not sure why you’re taking this so personally.

Nobody is saying you’re doing anything wrong, you’re shopping based on your own beliefs and viewpoints in Halal meat which is fine.

[arista]

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