[InOne]

How old were you 'back then' Mojo?

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by InOne

How old were you 'back then' Mojo?

35 now.

and Ireland not a bad place back then???

Youtube video

[InOne]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

35 now.

and Ireland not a bad place back then???

Youtube video

I never said it wasn't. And why assume something about someone because of their background? As he told you before he has Irish parents, so I am sure he does have knowledge of the situation. And why would he make a thread if he didn't think he'd be able to back up his points?

[brian3]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

35 now.

and Ireland not a bad place back then???

Youtube video

I am not attacking you. But I would like to say that not everyone in Northen Ireland hates the British and British soliders.

That youtube vid was very likely put up by an american as they have a quite 1 sided view of things. There great, great, great grandad came from Ireland. So they think that meens they are Irish and understand everything that goes on there.

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by InOne

How old were you 'back then' Mojo?

And one other thing InOne, you were great guy earlier. Now you had turned a totally ahole. I don't give a ****** about Morrissey (but his guitarist (Boz Boorer is amzing guy) and that another fhead Oasis brother on your signature.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

And one other thing InOne, you were great guy earlier. Now you had turned a totally ahole. I don't give a ****** about Morrissey (but his guitarist (Boz Boorer is amzing guy) and that another fhead Oasis brother on your signature.

Calm down, we can't agree all the time.

[Stu]

No internet back in the day. No sir. We used to tear bits of leather off our boots, scrawl messages on them, and get Dino the pidgeon to deliver our views for us.

[Stu]

Has Morrissey really just been brought into this?

I'm remembering what's great about this place. Thread of the year contender, surely.

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by Stu

Has Morrissey really just been brought into this?

I'm remembering what's great about this place. Thread of the year contender, surely.

LOL *offthetopic* gonna calm down now, been working every night and it is my first day off. Just tired and getting drunk. And i do love some Morrissey songs. I have a rockabilly/psychobilly backgrond and Gaz Day (bass) and Boz Boorer and Alain Whyte (guitars) are great. But gonna calm down now. Cheers!

[Zippy]

I agree. A classic thread in the making!

[Stu]

Getting drunk? Ada boy. I love getting drunk in the afternoon. The odd switches from monster nixon to nice nixon kinda gave it away too. And now the word 'psychobilly' has entered the fray.

Damn, I need to visit the offy now.

[GiRTh]

LMAO@this thread. Funny and tragic in equal measures. One thing, when were British troops deployed in IRAN?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

LMAO@this thread. Funny and tragic in equal measures. One thing, when were British troops deployed in IRAN?

Coalition Forces crossed the start lines (moving forward into Iraq) for Operation New Dawn/Iraqi Freedom on March 20 2003, (at 02:35 GMT - 05:35Zulu - local time) however Special Forces and Air assets had been operating in Iraq and over it (reinforcing no fly zones etc eventually leading to a full air offensive) for years before hand.

[Stu]

Aha plastic paddys. Sure Boston probably has a higher density of IRA supporters than Ireland.

[JustKaz]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

There was another thread on this but it got terribly sidetracked and was closed before I got to it so I opened this one to discuss the matter.

First of all, walking past a bomb and getting blown up does not make you a hero. That is an insult to the real heroes of the world. I would consider someone who did something exceptionally brave or someone who is solely responsible for saving another person's life in a crisis a hero. Walking past a barrel does not make you a hero just desperately unlucky.

Secondly, to those who say the fact he joined the forces in the first place makes him a hero as he was risking his life for freedom - he was fighting in Northern Ireland, the troubles were not about freedom they were about power and prejudice. Something which is in a way almost proven by how bigoted Steve has shown himself up to be in so many respects.

Brave for joining the army, yes. A hero, absolutely not.

You are intitled to your opinion, however my opinion is that your opinion is a massive insult to steve ans ALL armed forces, and an insutle to the familes of such, thats all I want to contribute to this thread, now I will read what every one else has contributed to see how many actually agree with your opinion.

[Shasown]

Got to love this thread, could I just say most junior ranks in the armed forces do not join up to lay down their lives for others, some believe the publicity about the training, esprit de corps, some join for the wages, its bloody good money for a 17-20 odd year old who has only Jobseekers Allowance to spend. A few join to get away from home. One or two are psychos who want to go out and see what its like to kill someone. Some join up out of family traditions.

Some join to prove themselves. A lot join for the adventure, that notion is soon changed for a lot the first time they have to arm up with live rounds. Saying that for a few the first time they come into contact with the enemy they become addicted to the buzz, its something that cant really be equalled in civvy street.

Steve was simply unlucky, wrong place wrong time, but to suggest he took the explosion for others is extremely naive. The IED was placed in a Nationalist area, the Falls Road was and still is part of the republican heartland in Belfast, no way would they have set off the bomb to take out civilians.

It was there to take out members of the security forces either the Army or the RUC. To show that the republicans still held sway over the area and that the security forces could operate in the area only at their peril. Its a tactic to prove that the security forces dont have total control of an area, and that the terrorists can operate with impunity.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Got to love this thread, could I just say most junior ranks in the armed forces do not join up to lay down their lives for others, some believe the publicity about the training, esprit de corps, some join for the wages, its bloody good money for a 17-20 odd year old who has only Jobseekers Allowance to spend. A few join to get away from home. One or two are psychos who want to go out and see what its like to kill someone. Some join up out of family traditions.

Some join to prove themselves. A lot join for the adventure, that notion is soon changed for a lot the first time they have to arm up with live rounds. Saying that for a few the first time they come into contact with the enemy they become addicted to the buzz, its something that cant really be equalled in civvy street.

Steve was simply unlucky, wrong place wrong time, but to suggest he took the explosion for others is extremely naive. The IED was placed in a Nationalist area, the Falls Road was and still is part of the republican heartland in Belfast, no way would they have set off the bomb to take out civilians.

It was there to take out members of the security forces either the Army or the RUC. To show that the republicans still held sway over the area and that the security forces could operate in the area only at their peril. Its a tactic to prove that the security forces dont have total control of an area, and that the terrorists can operate with impunity.

I don't think most are suggesting that guys sign up with the intention of laying down their lives for others - but, when the time comes and they face danger to themselves and others, most do their job to best of their ability and accept the risks facing them!

A lot leave at the earliest opportunity, but many stay, knowing the risks - and that, in itself, is a brave decision, always being aware that today could possibly be your last!

In my book, Steve was brave because he was there doing his job, regardless of his reason for joining in the first place! If he wasn't there, someone else would have to be. And if there were no 'volunteer's - young guys, like those on this forum, would be conscripted to do it! They should be thanking them, not ridiculing them!

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I don't think most are suggesting that guys sign up with the intention of laying down their lives for others - but, when the time comes and they face danger to themselves and others, most do their job to best of their ability and accept the risks facing them!

A lot leave at the earliest opportunity, but many stay, knowing the risks - and that, in itself, is a brave decision, always being aware that today could possibly be your last!

In my book, Steve was brave because he was there doing his job, regardless of his reason for joining in the first place! If he wasn't there, someone else would have to be. And if there were no 'volunteer's - young guys, like those on this forum, would be conscripted to do it! They should be thanking them, not ridiculing them!

Nobody is ridiculing them for being in the army, as I've already said and reiterated, the thread was not to put down his bravery to be in the army and fight for his country, just to make it clear that walking past a bomb at the wrong time and being unlucky does not make you a hero.

Though on the flip side, I don't see why being an ex forces man makes him immune from being a dickhead and doesn't make him immune from dissecting his person. This is what the entire show is about after all.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

Nobody is ridiculing them for being in the army, as I've already said and reiterated, the thread was not to put down his bravery to be in the army and fight for his country, just to make it clear that walking past a bomb at the wrong time and being unlucky does not make you a hero.

Though on the flip side, I don't see why being an ex forces man makes him immune from being a dickhead and doesn't make him immune from dissecting his person. This is what the entire show is about after all.

Fair enough - being ex forces does not make anyone immune from being a twat!

What makes me see red is when people, and plenty do, start taking the piss out of his disability - especially considering how he got that way!

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Fair enough - being ex forces does not make anyone immune from being a twat!

What makes me see red is when people, and plenty do, start taking the piss out of his disability - especially considering how he got that way!

But I don't think anyone in this thread has taken the piss out of his disability?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

Nobody is ridiculing them for being in the army, as I've already said and reiterated, the thread was not to put down his bravery to be in the army and fight for his country, just to make it clear that walking past a bomb at the wrong time and being unlucky does not make you a hero.

Though on the flip side, I don't see why being an ex forces man makes him immune from being a dickhead and doesn't make him immune from dissecting his person. This is what the entire show is about after all.

I agree with that.

I admire Steve for getting his life back together after his injuries.

However could i just say that most ex forces, myself included are dickheads. You have to be to sign up in the first place knowing that in peacetime we are barely tolerated if not hated. And the only time we are appreciated is when we are needed.

After training and any length of service most follow a regimented way of life, we are opinionated and in most cases we are generally right. We like leching at pretty girls and have been known to make a fool of ourselves over them.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

Though on the flip side, I don't see why being an ex forces man makes him immune from being a dickhead and doesn't make him immune from dissecting his person. This is what the entire show is about after all.

So why start a whole thread along the war hero lines? Criticise him for his behaviour in the house. Your judging him for labels others put on him.

Contradiction much.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Zippy

So why start a whole thread along the war hero lines? Criticise him for his behaviour in the house. Your judging him for labels others put on him.

Contradiction much.

Oh my god. You are entirely missing the point that I keep making. The thread is not about him as a person. But if you haven't noticed, many people are justifying his horrid behavior towards Keeley and just general unpleasantness by labelling him a 'war hero' and some have even used that as a reason why he should stay even though he's clearly a pointless housemate. And his fellow housemates are clearly scared to nominate him because they think he's perceived as a hero, besides Ben the only one with enough sense to see past the surface. The point of the thread was to say - actually no, he's not a war hero therefore there is no reason what so ever to keep him there.

[JustKaz]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Got to love this thread, could I just say most junior ranks in the armed forces do not join up to lay down their lives for others, some believe the publicity about the training, esprit de corps, some join for the wages, its bloody good money for a 17-20 odd year old who has only Jobseekers Allowance to spend. A few join to get away from home. One or two are psychos who want to go out and see what its like to kill someone. Some join up out of family traditions.

Some join to prove themselves. A lot join for the adventure, that notion is soon changed for a lot the first time they have to arm up with live rounds. Saying that for a few the first time they come into contact with the enemy they become addicted to the buzz, its something that cant really be equalled in civvy street.

Steve was simply unlucky, wrong place wrong time, but to suggest he took the explosion for others is extremely naive. The IED was placed in a Nationalist area, the Falls Road was and still is part of the republican heartland in Belfast, no way would they have set off the bomb to take out civilians.

It was there to take out members of the security forces either the Army or the RUC. To show that the republicans still held sway over the area and that the security forces could operate in the area only at their peril. Its a tactic to prove that the security forces dont have total control of an area, and that the terrorists can operate with impunity.

ok I will contribute more to this thread. i do agree with a lot you say here, yes steve was unlucky, but I am sure too he would know the risk of what could happen to him as many others in armed forces and those that choose to join are brave ( and also heros to an extent)

Lets take Steve out of the BB equation, and give a diferent senario for example..
The original poster of this thread is at a function where there are armed forces are being welcomed home, and among them are wounded soliders just like steve, would the original poster feel 'whats all the fuss? and have the same opinion that the soilders are NOT heros?

Another senario Would it have made a difference if another soilder was beside steve at the time he walked past this barrel, and steve pushed him out o the way, staving his life and taking the blast? would that THEN make him a hero to original poster ( as he says what he thinks a real hero is)

Also as many say Steve has not called himself a hero, others have.

Going back to BB those house mates were NOT randomly pick, steve was because of what has happened to him, and I do believe that some of the public would find it difficult to look beyond this and go just by his personality when juding him.

MY very first opinion when steve was picked (so called randomly) and the fact that BB theme was circus, is that why they choose him and I was not sure that I was disgrace at myself for thinking it or disgraced at BB...I mean there was some very strange people in line up in the launch show.

Steve auditioned, got in I dont agree he should win just because of what happened to him, but IMO he is a hero to have suvived what he went through and rebuild his life considering he was 19yrs old when this happened.

Hope I have made sense here.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by JustKaz

ok I will contribute more to this thread. i do agree with a lot you say here, yes steve was unlucky, but I am sure too he would know the risk of what could happen to him as many others in armed forces and those that choose to join are brave ( and also heros to an extent)

Lets take Steve out of the BB equation, and give a diferent senario for example..
The original poster of this thread is at a function where there are armed forces are being welcomed home, and among them are wounded soliders just like steve, would the original poster feel 'whats all the fuss? and have the same opinion that the soilders are NOT heros?

Another senario Would it have made a difference if another soilder was beside steve at the time he walked past this barrel, and steve pushed him out o the way, staving his life and taking the blast? would that THEN make him a hero to original poster ( as he says what he thinks a real hero is)

Also as many say Steve has not called himself a hero, others have.

Going back to BB those house mates were NOT randomly pick, steve was because of what has happened to him, and I do believe that some of the public would find it difficult to look beyond this and go just by his personality when juding him.

MY very first opinion when steve was picked (so called randomly) and the fact that BB theme was circus, is that why they choose him and I was not sure that I was disgrace at myself for thinking it or disgraced at BB...I mean there was some very strange people in line up in the launch show.

Steve auditioned, got in I dont agree he should win just because of what happened to him, but IMO he is a hero to have suvived what he went through and rebuild his life considering he was 19yrs old when this happened.

Hope I have made sense here.

I think you're mistaken. The only housemate who was supposedly chosen at random was Mario. The producers were perfectly clear that the others were chosen by them.

To be totally honest, and I don't meant o be disrespectful, I don't see the point in taking this out of the BB scenario, because out of that scenario nobody would think twice about his story and status nor would they know him well enough to bother dissecting it.