[Vicky.]

Can we get this back on topic please

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Can we get this back on topic please

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

[Vicky.]

Taking it my posts are invisible to some...

[InOne]

No. Gays are all going to burn in hell anyway.

/westborobaptistchurch

[ElProximo]

It's absolutely laughable that nobody's posts accusing Christians of being 'murderers' are deleted,
yet,
a VERY COMMON UK OPINION about homosexuality being illegitimate and perverted will be deleted.

I suggest the person abusing their buttons needs to realize one of the very reasons they have social phobia, panic attacks and depression IS because they are doing shameful, sick, hurtful evil little things which (in their heart) they know contradict their moral compass.

Read that again.
Read it a third time. Think about that. Thank me later.

............
easily one of most pathetic things in religious discourse is this idea that there is a religion called 'religion' and you get to hold Christian fundamentalists as some parallels to Muslim fundamentalists.
Putting aside the retarded way uneducated (about religious movements) the definition of 'fundamentalism'.
Put that aside.
There is no parallel. Not even close. It is actually ridiculous and laughable and just sad anyone tries to make some 'grouping'.

Atheist fundamentalists have horrifically mass-murdered hundreds of people (often children) and done so for exactly that reason - terrifying ugly deaths to innocent people.

Muslim 'fundamentalists' have horrifically mass-murdered and tortured and terrorized thousands of people this year.
For the very reason, intent, purpose of doing just that - actually murdering innocent people. To cause horrible pain and suffering to innocent people.

Christian 'fundamentalists'... 1 of them shot an abortion doctor a few years ago because he (the 'fundamentalist') believed he was going to save the lives of innocent babies.
For the purpose of letting babies live.


Otherwise, Christian fundamentalists spend a helluva lot of time doing 'soup kitchens' and opening drug rehab missions.

Secular non-religious UK 20somethings posting in forums murder and torture more.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I suggest the person abusing their buttons needs to realize one of the very reasons they have social phobia, panic attacks and depression IS because they are doing shameful, sick, hurtful evil little things which (in their heart) they know contradict their moral compass.

how you can say this isn't homophobia is utterly laughable. You're utterly ridiculous, and the only one displaying any signs of a (mental) 'sickness' in this thread.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Shaun

how you can say this isn't homophobia is utterly laughable. You're utterly ridiculous, and the only one displaying any signs of a (mental) 'sickness' in this thread.

Nothing about that tells you I have some irrational fear of homosexuals.

Don't tell me ElProximo is one of those very arrogant people who believes any gay he comes into contact with is going to come onto him.

If I was still 15 years old I would right suppose nearly every homosexual would come onto me.
But I'm older now and yes I am well aware that while homosexuals, in general, have an extremely high rate of 'multiple partners' - I know it depends on what fetish they are into.
'Daddies' or 'Twinks' or whatever specific role-playing fetish they are perved into.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Nothing about that tells you I have some irrational fear of homosexuals.



If I was still 15 years old I would right suppose nearly every homosexual would come onto me.
But I'm older now and yes I am well aware that while homosexuals, in general, have an extremely high rate of 'multiple partners' - I know it depends on what fetish they are into.
'Daddies' or 'Twinks' or whatever specific role-playing fetish they are perved into.

Oh listen to yourself will you? How dare you stereotype every homosexual man into the same category? Yes in the past I have had many sexual partners but it's called being young and what a lot of heterosexual men also do. As for the perversions, not all of us are into 'sick and twisted' things as you seem to think. You also forget that heterosexual people are just as prone to different and unusual fetishes.

I wish you would give the absolute repulsion towards homosexuality a rest. Fair enough you do not like it, but do you have to be so goddamn offensive about it?

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Oh listen to yourself will you? How dare you stereotype every homosexual man into the same category?

You know (and not only because I wrote the word) but you know we were discussing homosexuals in general.

Follow me and we will see you do that same thing...

Yes in the past I have had many sexual partners but it's called being young and what a lot of heterosexual men also do.

Right but we were having a discussion about the overall general rules. I'm sure some women have had 7 different men in the last 6 months however that is an exception.
It would be a 'rule' if you were getting an average on homosexuals.

One recent study is mind boggling in that the subjects are defined as YOUNG gays:

A 1997 study of young gay and bisexual men found that 91 percent reported an average of 43 male sexual partners in their lifetime

That is a mind-boggling statistic and it might suggest that 'people who happen to love each other' is unlikely (or love at first sight happens a lot with gays?)

As for the perversions, not all of us are into 'sick and twisted' things as you seem to think.

Sure but here again if a general observation is made you think its easily 'canceled out' by simply pointing at the exceptions.

In this case I agree with a poster that not all gay men are attracted to any other man.
But there is not a 'parallel' to regular couples either. Generally, there is just attractiveness with them. 'Fitness'.
However,
The homosexual people seem to have some very distinct categories based on 'role-playing' presentations and maybe a lot less on attractive features or even fitness.
A 'Daddy' type would NOT be attracted to me because his sexual infatuation will be with finding 'Twinks' or vice-versa etc.

but having said that - a caretaker at a certain public park once suggested there is very very little discrimination among gays and yes actually they will have sex with nearly any other man.
He based this on the dynamic activity taking place in his public toilets at night and includes a hole crudely chiseled into the wood dividers, the used condoms, blood, feces and needles he gets to clean up on monday morning.

You also forget that heterosexual people are just as prone to different and unusual fetishes.

This wouldn't 'cancel out' what you seem to be admitting here.

I wish you would give the absolute repulsion towards homosexuality a rest. Fair enough you do not like it, but do you have to be so goddamn offensive about it?

It doesn't repulse me. I think my description (and a homosexual could easily write the same things) but i think my description repulsed you based on something inherent to you.
After all, if this is completely normal, moral and loving then you shouldn't be so afraid of this?

Truth is - I don't really care that much about homosexuals themselves. They are a very small portion of the population,
but,
yes I do get very easily annoyed with 'bull****' and ignorance and people playing censor society games and especially demanding others play along.
Look:
Its not a mystery. For thousands of years around the planet homosexuality is considered a bizarre sex perversion,
or,
at best often something very strange and unpleasant.
Ok.
Now in this one aberrant time of wealth and freedom its being slightly tolerate by a minority of people.
OKay.
Fair enough.
But KNOCK IT OFF trying to pretend like we are all so stupid we put a tongue in the cheek and a 'who me?' smirk and demand to pretend its so obviously no different or remarkable,
or,
pretend that its not still true that a HUGE portion of our society doesn't still think its a grotesque sex perversion or at least strange and uncomfortable.

Its the 'playing games' crap that really annoys me. In a real sense the actual homosexual issue is neither here nor there.
I'd be annoyed if we were pretending everyone knows bestiality is 'perfectly accepted' or drinking turpentine or wearing melons as hats.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Oh listen to yourself will you? How dare you stereotype every homosexual man into the same category? Yes in the past I have had many sexual partners but it's called being young and what a lot of heterosexual men also do. As for the perversions, not all of us are into 'sick and twisted' things as you seem to think. You also forget that heterosexual people are just as prone to different and unusual fetishes.

I wish you would give the absolute repulsion towards homosexuality a rest. Fair enough you do not like it, but do you have to be so goddamn offensive about it?

And many people continue to cheat on each other when they're not young.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Nothing about that tells you I have some irrational fear of homosexuals.



If I was still 15 years old I would right suppose nearly every homosexual would come onto me.
But I'm older now and yes I am well aware that while homosexuals, in general, have an extremely high rate of 'multiple partners' - I know it depends on what fetish they are into.
'Daddies' or 'Twinks' or whatever specific role-playing fetish they are perved into.

[Niamh.]

Yeah, your extremely homophobic comments were never deleted El Proximo.

[Grimnir]

i give my thoughts

i do not believe in god and have no religion

we should all **** each other like bunny rabbits on acid as much as possible and have as many orgasms as possible before we die, then when we die we should have a threesome with god and satan

religious people do not share this belief, they have their personal views on sex and we have to respect them because those are the rules, respect others beliefs even if you find them nonsense

all gay people are different just as all heterosexuals are different

some gays are almost as dirty as me, and some are even more conservative than a religious couple

now i get to my point

i don't believe that any form of sex outside biological reproduction basic sex should be taught to children, likewise i don't believe religion should be taught in schools

education should be kept to academic subjects like science, maths, history etc

sociological and psychological subjects like sex and religion should be taught at home and then at college if the student chooses it for their course and are interested in it

sexuality is so much more complex than simply putting people in pigeon holes like gay or straight as if there are only 2 types of people in the world

there is a whole world of sexual perversion out there, some like to have gang bangs, some like to be whipped and punished, some like she males, some like dwarfs, some like orgies, some like swinging parties, some like nudism, some like trannies, some like inanimate objects, some like watersports, the list goes on and on and on

NONE of this should be taught to children, only reproduction in biology class thats all, once they an adult they can learn what they like

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

i don't believe that any form of sex outside biological reproduction basic sex should be taught to children, likewise i don't believe religion should be taught in schools

That makes absolutely no sense. Sex is not simply for reproduction. Are you saying that we should teach about condoms since they restrict reproduction?

You know, I swear, I don't think people think before they post.

[Grimnir]

Originally Posted by letmein

That makes absolutely no sense. Sex is not simply for reproduction. Are you saying that we should teach about condoms since they restrict reproduction?

You know, I swear, I don't think people think before they post.

what is wrong with you?

you quoted this one line of my post

i don't believe that any form of sex outside biological reproduction basic sex should be taught to children, likewise i don't believe religion should be taught in schools

then you said

That makes absolutely no sense. Sex is not simply for reproduction.

I NEVER SAID IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

then you say

Are you saying that we should teach about condoms since they restrict reproduction?

WTF?!??! you put words in my mouth and they don't even make sense

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

what is wrong with you?

you quoted this one line of my post

i don't believe that any form of sex outside biological reproduction basic sex should be taught to children, likewise i don't believe religion should be taught in schools

then you said

That makes absolutely no sense. Sex is not simply for reproduction.

I NEVER SAID IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

then you say

Are you saying that we should teach about condoms since they restrict reproduction?

WTF?!??! you put words in my mouth and they don't even make sense

I think everybody else understood what you meant!

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

what is wrong with you?

you quoted this one line of my post

i don't believe that any form of sex outside biological reproduction basic sex should be taught to children, likewise i don't believe religion should be taught in schools

then you said

That makes absolutely no sense. Sex is not simply for reproduction.

I NEVER SAID IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

then you say

Are you saying that we should teach about condoms since they restrict reproduction?

WTF?!??! you put words in my mouth and they don't even make sense

Then you said... then you said... blah, blah, blah.

The fact is, there's more to sex than reproduction. You're saying if it doesn't include reproduction, not teach it. Uh, sex is not only about reproduction, thus, there's more that has to be taught. You have to teach about safe sex. This includes gay sex. Gay sex doesn't involve reproduction. By deduction, you're saying that we shouldn't discuss that, thus, making more information involving homosexuality off limits. Give me a break.

Next!

[swinearefine]

I think if straight marriage is taught or discussed, gay marriage should as well. I remember a few years ago here in America there was a big scandal about teachers in Massachusetts (I think the first US state to legalize gay marriage) reading gay fairytales to little kids and like my whole family and half the country wanted to burn those teachers on the stake :P I totally disagree with the posters claiming that yanks are right wing bible freaks - that is largely true about the older generations, but at least two-thirds of kids my age are extremely liberal atheists where I live. Gay marriage was juat legalized in New York and is now legal in 35% of the country

[iRyan]

I suggest the person abusing their buttons needs to realize one of the very reasons they have social phobia, panic attacks and depression IS because they are doing shameful, sick, hurtful evil little things which (in their heart) they know contradict their moral compass.

You are so ignorant it's sad. How in any way is loving another person hurtful and evil? I can't even take anything you say seriously. You're nothing but a pathetic, simple minded boy.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by iRyan

You are so ignorant it's sad. How in any way is loving another person hurtful and evil? I can't even take anything you say seriously. You're nothing but a pathetic, simple minded boy.

Hurtful and evil is censoring opinions you don't like in hopes of pushing your own particular 'righteous mandate'.
Its cowardly, small and censorship truly is 'pathetic and simple-minded'.

As for your comments?
The debate IS about what is loving or not. Nobody on any side has ever been against anyone loving anyone.
Many great men loved other men. Many fathers love their sons. Many brothers love their sisters.
Many young men have a great loving admiration of their mentors, professors.
NONE OF THIS involving any homosexual sex.

But the actual debate is about 'what is loving'.
Are you 'loving' someone by entertaining their weakness and encouraging it?
If they have damaged and confused sexuality you encourage it?

I suggest YOU ARE UNLOVING and you HURT these people every single time you try and tell them its 'normal' and encourage them to continue.
In the same way it would be most UNLOVING for me to tell the paranoid schizophrenic they should make tinfoil hats and should keep reading conspiracy websites and they ought to be proud they write 200 letters a year to the Queen.
In that way you are HURTING people in homosexuality. Do you agree?

Niamh. Yeah, your extremely homophobic comments were never deleted El Proximo.

NOTHING in my comments gave you ANY reason to believe I have any kind of irrational fear of homosexuals.
however,
If I did, it would be on you to be consistent and accept me as a Homophobe.
After all, who are you to attack homophobes just because they are different?
Or are you a hypocrite?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Hurtful and evil is censoring opinions you don't like in hopes of pushing your own particular 'righteous mandate'.
Its cowardly, small and censorship truly is 'pathetic and simple-minded'.

As for your comments?
The debate IS about what is loving or not. Nobody on any side has ever been against anyone loving anyone.
Many great men loved other men. Many fathers love their sons. Many brothers love their sisters.
Many young men have a great loving admiration of their mentors, professors.
NONE OF THIS involving any homosexual sex.

But the actual debate is about 'what is loving'.
Are you 'loving' someone by entertaining their weakness and encouraging it?
If they have damaged and confused sexuality you encourage it?

I suggest YOU ARE UNLOVING and you HURT these people every single time you try and tell them its 'normal' and encourage them to continue.
In the same way it would be most UNLOVING for me to tell the paranoid schizophrenic they should make tinfoil hats and should keep reading conspiracy websites and they ought to be proud they write 200 letters a year to the Queen.
In that way you are HURTING people in homosexuality. Do you agree?



NOTHING in my comments gave you ANY reason to believe I have any kind of irrational fear of homosexuals.
however,
If I did, it would be on you to be consistent and accept me as a Homophobe.
After all, who are you to attack homophobes just because they are different?
Or are you a hypocrite?

You do seem to have an irrational hatred for homosexuals though. I don't believe I've "attacked" you btw, would you like to show me where in this thread I've done that? But now that you bring it up, hating someone for who they choose to have a relationship with, imo, is a bit bizarre.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You do seem to have an irrational hatred for homosexuals though.

No. i don't seem to have that.

hating someone for who they choose to have a relationship with, imo, is a bit bizarre.

It sure is. So is hating someone who believes homosexuality is a perversion. Not 'bizarre' since we see that quite a bit but unhealthy for sure.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

No. i don't seem to have that.

a hatred for gays? or the fact that it's an irrational hatred?

It sure is. So is hating someone who believes homosexuality is a perversion. Not 'bizarre' since we see that quite a bit but unhealthy for sure.

I don't hate you El Proximo (if that's what you're implying) But I do find it strange that other peoples sex lives offend you so much.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

After all, who are you to attack homophobes just because they are different?
Or are you a hypocrite?

This sums up the person many of you are debating.