[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hmmm... a slight body-swerve at the question about feeling hurt or angry on behalf of someone you love when they get hurt. I can't believe you're completely devoid of conscience.

Yeah, I get angry at random things or a regular basis too, and what annoys me one day I may not even notice the next.

I misread the question thats why...sorry

I dont get hurt when people say/do things to me. But I do get very angry when people upset my family/gav

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I misread the question thats why...sorry

I dont get hurt when people say/do things to me. But I do get very angry when people upset my family/gav

Although I guess that's empathy rather than conscience... interesting though. Either way, I think you'd probably make a good assassin LOL... a job I've always fancied myself.

[Kizzy]

http://www.arkancide.com/psychopathy.htm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/b...on-review.html

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Although I guess that's empathy rather than conscience... interesting though. Either way, I think you'd probably make a good assassin LOL... a job I've always fancied myself.

I'll keep an eye out on the jobcentre website for that one. pretty well paid too I would imagine

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hmmm... a slight body-swerve at the question about feeling hurt or angry on behalf of someone you love when they get hurt. I can't believe you're completely devoid of conscience.

Yeah, I get angry at random things or a regular basis too, and what annoys me one day I may not even notice the next.

That's quite interesting too Livia, I've had Cognitive Behaviour Therapy...where you basically analyse what it was that changed your mood and made you upset/angry/irritated you, and it's normally something like a 'memory association', rather than what your actually reacting at...if that makes sense.....I found it really helpful......I could give you an example but I won't bore the pants off you as I'm quite a bore on physocology

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

That's quite interesting too Livia, I've had Cognitive Behaviour Therapy...where you basically analyse what it was that changed your mood and made you upset/angry/irritated you, and it's normally something like a 'memory association', rather than what your actually reacting at...if that makes sense.....I found it really helpful......I could give you an example but I won't bore the pants off you as I'm quite a bore on physocology

Oh do give an example, I find all that stuff really interesting

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by kizzy

http://www.arkancide.com/psychopathy.htm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/b...on-review.html

That first link is a very interesting conspiracy.

I scored 16 on the quiz thing...which I thought was bad, but according to the second link its not. I was probably overthinking the questions though

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh do give an example, I find all that stuff really interesting

..ok...*feels embarrassed*...well, I have this 'hate' of people putting things on high shelves or on top of cupboards so that I can't see them properly or reach them easily...it's one of those silly things that makes my blood boil and that's not really rational...it's no big deal, is it?
Through cognative behaviour therapy I realise that this is because, when I was around two, my mum put a jug of boiling hot fat (she was purifying it) onto a high shelf, so that we couldn't reach it. My brother was not put off and dragged a table to stand on because he wanted to see what was in the jug. He still couldn't see in but he could reach it, so he tipped forward, I was standing on the floor below and he tipped boiling fat onto my arm.
I don't actually remember this happening, I've just had the story retold, but the subconscious mind remembers everything..like a photographic memory.....so whenever I can't see something on a shelf and have to reach for it...my mind remembers the pain. Because I can't remember the incident..it manifolds as anger or irritation.
...of course, now that I know that.....I don't have a problem with it anymore because I realise the object on the shelf won't hurt me.
...hope that makes sense

[Vicky.]

Now that kinda thing makes me wish I had gone to CBT when the docs wanted me to go(was for anxiety attacks/depression a few years back for the nosier ones amongst us ). I thought it was a load of rubbish, but sounds fascinating

[King Gizzard]

I don't think this strictly counts, its more the emotional side, but I don't think I've ever cried at someones death, be it celebrity or friend, I just..stay shocked (sad yes, but not visibly emotional)

I think I would only be able to cry if it was a close family member..I don't get it when people cry over celebrities they don't really know or didn't really care about until they died

That's not conscience though

..but then I can cry with happiness when Zambia won the Africa Nations Cup..

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..ok...*feels embarrassed*...well, I have this 'hate' of people putting things on high shelves or on top of cupboards so that I can't see them properly or reach them easily...it's one of those silly things that makes my blood boil and that's not really rational...it's no big deal, is it?
Through cognative behaviour therapy I realise that this is because, when I was around two, my mum put a jug of boiling hot fat (she was purifying it) onto a high shelf, so that we couldn't reach it. My brother was not put off and dragged a table to stand on because he wanted to see what was in the jug. He still couldn't see in but he could reach it, so he tipped forward, I was standing on the floor below and he tipped boiling fat onto my arm.
I don't actually remember this happening, I've just had the story retold, but the subconscious mind remembers everything..like a photographic memory.....so whenever I can't see something on a shelf and have to reach for it...my mind remembers the pain. Because I can't remember the incident..it manifolds as anger or irritation.
...of course, now that I know that.....I don't have a problem with it anymore because I realise the object on the shelf won't hurt me.
...hope that makes sense

That's actually really interesting.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Now that kinda thing makes me wish I had gone to CBT when the docs wanted me to go(was for anxiety attacks/depression a few years back for the nosier ones amongst us ). I thought it was a load of rubbish, but sounds fascinating

..believe me, I'm the first one to have criticised therapy as mumbo jumbo...but I'm all for it now. Once we understand our reactions and irritations it dissolves them...as most of the time we realise it's not what we think it is thats caused them in the first place.....you should try it Vicky, it has a really positive effect.

Originally Posted by Nathan

I don't think this strictly counts, its more the emotional side, but I don't think I've ever cried at someones death, be it celebrity or friend, I just..stay shocked (sad yes, but not visibly emotional)

I think I would only be able to cry if it was a close family member..I don't get it when people cry over celebrities they don't really know or didn't really care about until they died

That's not conscience though

..but then I can cry with happiness when Zambia won the Africa Nations Cup..

I'm not a cryer either and haven't cried, even for a close loved one....I release my feelings through writing them down..it's important to release feelings...but it doesn't matter how we do it....we're all different....I have been told though 'cryers' release theirs more easily

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's actually really interesting.

...don't get me started....I've revealed enough for one afternoon on the forum...LOL

[Livia]

The CBT thing is fascinating and really makes so much sense. I have a friend who suffers from depression and went through CBT following a string of massively high peaks and desperately low troughs. He still suffers from depression but is much more able to cope with it and manage it without taking meds. It really did change him and the way he thought about things. I'm a believer.

[King Gizzard]

I start that soon..apparently

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Livia

The CBT thing is fascinating and really makes so much sense. I have a friend who suffers from depression and went through CBT following a string of massively high peaks and desperately low troughs. He still suffers from depression but is much more able to cope with it and manage it without taking meds. It really did change him and the way he thought about things. I'm a believer.

Me too, I was actually having hynotherapy to quit smoking and it lead to the CBT..maybe she thought I was a basket case. It's amazing how much 'associations' control our actions and when you understand why you feel a certain way..it's easy to control. I too have a friend who has always relied who suffers depression and has always relied on medication but I've persuaded her to try this and even after a few weeks I've noticed how confident she is becoming and how she's stopped thinking she's to blame for everything wrong in her life. I would have liked to continue tbh but it was too expensive so now I 'self help' because I've learned enough about myself to be able to do that.

Originally Posted by Nathan

I start that soon..apparently

CBT?...I really recommend it...so long as you're honest with yourself and your therapist it could make a huge difference....look at me, I'm reasonably normal...kind of

[King Gizzard]

I was given an online course and reading to do via referal from my GP... you know cutbacks

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Nathan

I was given an online course and reading to do via referal from my GP... you know cutbacks

...bloody NHS..we'll be doing our own surgery with online instructions next...

[King Gizzard]

That's not beyond the realms of possibility, sadly..

Although it already seems like that at the appointment these days anyway

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Nathan

That's not beyond the realms of possibility, sadly..

Although it already seems like that at the appointment these days anyway

Find a good book on CBT Nathan...it's something that's really easy to 'self help' with, once you understand it and it's not difficult to understand...I'll have a look online and see what books I can find

[Kizzy]

My sis is really into NLP (neuro lynguistic programming) at the mo its a kind of self-hypnosis, it sounds really interesting, i stopped smoking through self hypnosis 9 years ago. It might be worth looking into as a way to get in touch with your emotional side?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Nathan

I was given an online course and reading to do via referal from my GP... you know cutbacks

Was it this on

http://moodgym.anu.edu.au/welcome ?

Have a pop at the e-couch as well further down the page

[King Gizzard]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Was it this on

http://moodgym.anu.edu.au/welcome ?

Have a pop at the e-couch as well further down the page

Nah, one that I'm not even sure works/they gave me the wrong website. But I'll give that one a try, thanks